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I've just put a query on the AEon facebook but I thought I'd also put it here in case this is quicker. I bought this pack a couple of hours ago. When I try to download I seem to get the following... First it tries to download 84.12Mb which results in 88209218 bytes with CRC 2306114289. Then on retry it tries to download 11.19Mb which results in 11731384 bytes with CRC 3590664680. In both cases it says that it expected 99940602 bytes with CRC 1603529135. This cycle then just keeps repeating in the same alternating pattern each retry... It says: "Error: enhancersoftware_plus.lha file is corrupt on download", with the details mentioned above, and "Select RETRY to try download again or SKIP to ignore error". I'm sure its not a co-incidence that 88209218 + 11731384 add to 99940602... I already own Candii and RadeonHD2.4 I don't see why but would that affect the download?

Try looking in the AmiStore dwonloads directory and removing the partially downloade arachive then trying again. If that workd let us knowe and we can report to Matthew that there is problem with his "http / ftp resume" code.

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Poster: broadblues Date: 5-May-2016 11:00:14 @FOL That's not avery helpful response, no it's not officially supported by Hyperion, but most of the Enhancer software should work, we just need to work out what MRitter problem is and recomend settings for him.

Was not my intension, just stating facts. I agree, and it will proberly be a setup issue. However with no or little feedback on exactly what issues he is having, we can not use a crystal ball to find out.

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To follow up. I have installed the Enhancer on an Emulated setup of OS4.1 FE (Clean install).
Installed absolutely perfect, everything runs accept obvious stuff like Candi (very very slow) and RadeonHD driver. There is also the limited memory that can effect how things actually run.

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@Nicsoft Good day, I also had the problem with Multiviewer, MulitEdit, and XDock crashing my SAM460ex (mouse frozen). I turned off DDR2 Boost and AmiDock. I haven't had any problems since then. I hope this helps you. Cheers,

Curious, when did these crashes occur? MVer I might expect certain datatypes to cause an issue, but Medit and XDock should not have issues.

Any chance of a crashlog / serial log?

DDR2 Boost I could see causing issues perhaps, but AmiDock?

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I completely agree, but what does that have to do with Amigakit?

Amigakit, or AmigaKit/A-Eon ... I was thinking mainly about AmiStore, their attempt to put in a place a system to let some money flow. With a sales channel and a way for developers to get some earning from their work. But I guess you knew that's what I was referring to, so I'm not sure I'm replying to your question ?

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Given the bleak situation, the only sound approach involves a large upfront investment of time and money, some honest PR for a change, and 12 to 24 months of development to port the only viable product they have to a(ny) sane hardware platform - ... What Amigakit produces instead are expensive ports of 20 year old 8-bit paint programs, commercial Multiview replacements and animated Workbench backdrops for 15 Euro. It's good for them that this generates some badly needed immediate revenue - but that strategy is the exact opposite of a "sound economic system", it comes with an inbuilt expiry date in the not too distant future.

"Are expensive ports of 20 year old 8-bit paint programs ... inbuilt expiry date."
versus
"A huge upfront investment ... 12-24 months of development time ..."

I don't think they're mutually exclusive. But I do think the huge upfront investment would be pointless if they don't try to keep the current situation alive, maybe stabilize it, and give it some breath of fresh air, giving an indication that something is indeed brewing. If the current projects are handled well, and are brought to a good end, that would be way better PR than just more announcements. And while doing the smaller projects, you gain some experience needed to handle a larger project.
In short ... doing these projects now seems a better approach to me than saying "Hey we're working on something big, we're throwing a shitload of money at it and it'll be ready, if all goes well, 12-24 months from now. We appreciate your patience."
Or: doing these projects now, might just be necessary to justify a larger investment later on (or running in parallel ?)

And I do share your feelings about the commercial Multiview replacements, and the animated backdrops ... etc ... and I may not agree on their business choices either, but frankly, I wouldn't know how I would do it differently, let alone better, either. Gotta start somewhere. With the pieces you have. With the audience you have.

The alternative is easy: doing nothing, so ...
I do commend them on their entrepreneurial spirit I think their approach has merits, is understandable and is worth a try

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that's assuming this entire legal mess can actually be solved

Thorny issue for me to comment on, and I'm not privy to dealings between Hyperion and AmigaKit/A-EON, I'm not privy to Trevors/Matthews strategic vision and/or resources ... so there's not much I can say, but if I were to step in AmigaKit's shoes :

Doing nothing is not an option, there are investments (X1000/X5000 ... ) to protect, there is a business to protect (AmigaKit). And maybe, just maybe, they can hope to shift the balance of power eventually, paving the way for a solution for the legal mess, or alternatively, assist in creating an environment wherein Hyperion can also thrive and become a reliable (as in: successfull) partner again ? (The latter is not even remotely an attempt to bash Hyperion).

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and there's a way to get rid of all the egotistical maniacs involved.

Phew, that was very short of calling names

Evert

PS: I made the comments above, mainly with AmigaKit/A-EON and the NG situation in mind, but I'm aware of A.L.I.C.E, of efforts in the Classic-domain ... I'm also aware of PhoenixKonsoles effort to setup something similar (so Pascal: I commend you as much as I do commend AmigaKit). I'm also aware of Terminills projects ...

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Basic testing here with Multiviewer and MulitEdit no problems on Sam460ex.
ddr2_boost =2
Have on board sata2 active and using on board audio .

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@broadblues

The crashes (completely frozen screen, no Grim Reaper) with Multiviewer and MultiEdit happened when I tried opening more than one tab. When I turned off DDR2 Boost-Read, the crashes stopped.

I have seen where others are running Multiviewer and MultiEdit with DDR2 Boost enabled. Perhaps there is some other conflicting program that messes with memory whenever I try to open a new tab in those programs?

X-Dock crashed whenever I tried to run it (AmiDock was still running). After removing AmiDock from WBStartup prefs, X-Dock worked.

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On a different but related subject, I would like to pass on an idea for A-Eon's developers.

The most important enhancer for my SAM460 system would be PPC endian fixed JIT for javascript. This is currently being worked on for Odyssey (MorphOS and OS4.1).

Would it be possible to make a stand alone OS4.1 library, shared object, or shared application that could execute PPC JIT javascript, and could be used by any compliant browser or program?

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Amigakit, or AmigaKit/A-Eon ... I was thinking mainly about AmiStore, their attempt to put in a place a system to let some money flow. With a sales channel and a way for developers to get some earning from their work.

I wasn't criticising their infrastructure, the fact they're still running a viable Amiga business demonstrates they know what they're doing in that regard.

I was referring to the actual products they're offering. Their only sales argument for said products is "it's Amigaaaa!" or variations of that ("at least we're doing something", "support the Amiga", "developers need to get paid") and that's simply not a viable mid or long term strategy.

Additionally, that strategy forces them to be 'somewhat' selective with the truth. Selling Tabor boards to 'betatesters' based on Hyperion's promise that they (a) will have a port of the OS ready soon and (b) are going to write an FPU emulator from scratch, no biggie - is questionable at best.

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"Are expensive ports of 20 year old 8-bit paint programs ... inbuilt expiry date." versus "A huge upfront investment ... 12-24 months of development time ..." I don't think they're mutually exclusive. But I do think the huge upfront investment would be pointless if they don't try to keep the current situation alive, maybe stabilize it, and give it some breath of fresh air

I agree. Maybe I should have been more clear: I don't think this situation still can be fixed.

There was (allegedly) a failed attempt from Trevor to buy out Hyperion when they went down last year. If you can't come to an agreement in a situation like that, what will it take to make it actually happen? A few months later, both parties started to point fingers at each other in public regarding (amongst other things) delays with the X5000. Now A-EON is publicly humiliating Hyperion by taking over parts of the OS development, apparently against Hyperion's wishes - and I have a hunch how well Mr. Hermans handles public humiliation.

I simply don't see a solution to OS4's underlying problem coming up anytime soon. And A-EONkit's approach seems to be "There is no problem. Look at Broadblues, what a nice guy!".

Not to mention that generating significant revenue with OS4 actually makes a solution less likely, since any solution will require paying a whole group of people. These people aren't going to lower their expectations if they see you shifting several hundred PCs for 3000 bucks each. Ben and his family have invested "millions" in the OS4 project, remember?

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Gotta start somewhere. With the pieces you have. With the audience you have.

They've been 'starting somewhere' for six years, with no actual progress on the core issues. Some superficial issues have been resolved (please don't get me wrong: I very much appreciate what the likes of Andy or Hans are doing), but we're still facing the exact same problems we faced six years ago.

After the A-EON Belgium mess, they should have come clean or simply walk away. Instead, they decided to do what you're suggesting: They tried to minimize their losses/protect their business.

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Doing nothing is not an option, there are investments (X1000/X5000 ... ) to protect, there is a business to protect (AmigaKit).

Right. But how much slack are we supposed to cut them because of that? To get some of the functionality that was promised (more or less - some of these things everybody takes for granted) as part of the product, X1000 customers had to pay for 4.1 FE, Radeon HD 2.x and Warp 3D SI. Plus a new graphics card, because the one they forced you to buy with the machine wasn't going to be supported after all (*).

If they hope to "shift the balance of power eventually", and need to stay afloat until that happens - they should go out and say so, instead of asking their customers to pay for a picture viewer upgrade, because "the developers need to be paid". That argument doesn't make any sense anyway: if you're trying to build a platform, and 8bit paint programs and picture viewers cost money - what kind of software would not be distributed commercially?

(*) or, as Matthew put it when asked about it: "Work on Warp3D Evergreen driver is ongoing and making good progress."

(Edit: typos)

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I also had the problem with Multiviewer, MulitEdit, and XDock crashing my SAM460ex (mouse frozen). I turned off DDR2 Boost and AmiDock. I haven't had any problems since then. I hope this helps you.

I have always had DDR2 Boost disabled (for stability reasons). Tried with AmiDock not running, it had no effect. For me it's only when right-clicking the MultiEdit window itself, and choosing Project | New Tab "the mouse freezes".
(Not a big issue though, as the two other New Tab -alternatives work)...

Sometimes I have to reboot AmigaOS 4.1 itself, as the mouse freezes at starting the OS. Not that often, but from time to time the same happens with the keyboard. The USB-drivers doesn't always work with my Logitech mouse and keyboard...

@cgutjahr

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Ben and his family have invested "millions" in the OS4 project, remember?

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I don't. I remember him saying it though.

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I agree. Maybe I should have been more clear: I don't think this situation still can be fixed.

I'm skeptical myself. But ... As said, I don't know Trevor/Matthews motives, I don't know about their resources, they may have perceived an opportunity that I haven't.
And even though I might be inclined to think that they're might possibly be making a huge mistake, let's paraphrase Voltaire here: "I may not agree with what you're doing, but I'll defend to the death your right to do it."

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After the A-EON Belgium mess, they should have come clean or simply walk away.

I tend to agree, but I would phrase it as: "After the A-EON Belgium mess, I would have walked away"
All I have is a few conjectures, and rumours, hearsay, and I'm reluctant to tell people what to do based on ... well, conjectures, and rumours.

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Right. But how much slack are we supposed to cut them because of that? To get some of the functionality that was promised (more or less - some of these things everybody takes for granted) as part of the product, X1000 customers had to pay for 4.1 FE, Radeon HD 2.x and Warp 3D SI. Plus a new graphics card, because the one they forced you to buy with the machine wasn't going to be supported after all (*).

True. But where do you put the blame here ? (That question alone is an indication of the apparent mess.)

Evert

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Paid, downloaded and installed without any problems.

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Quote: Ben and his family have invested "millions" in the OS4 project, remember? I don't. I remember him saying it though.

Right, sorry. You're probably the wrong target audience for that particular joke.

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let's paraphrase Voltaire here: "I may not agree with what you're doing, but I'll defend to the death your right to do it." [...] I tend to agree, but I would phrase it as: "After the A-EON Belgium mess, I would have walked away"

I can see your point. In my defense: I'm old and grumpy.

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True. But where do you put the blame here ?

Everybody involved. Even if you ignore all the rumours and conjecture, Amigakit are the ones selling the product to the customer. You can't just get rid of your liabilities by pointing fingers at a third party - especially if you present two similar follow-up products shortly afterwards, which are to be created in cooperation with said third party.

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(That question alone is an indication of the apparent mess.)

Hehe.

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Right, sorry. You're probably the wrong target audience for that particular joke.

On the contrary

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X-Dock works fine for me on 460 with or without DDR2 Boost if launched manually.
Doesn't when launched from WBStartup.

Haven't yet tried without Amidock.

No issues with MultiEdit.
RadeonHD driver doesn't work though.
No monitor output.

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@TiredOfLife

Strange for X-Dock, I use both AmiDock and X-Dock 0.33 (from WBStartup) without problem.

Could you send me a screenshot of your Prefs/wbstartup window and of your X-Dock info window (showing file tab & Tooltypes tab) please to

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Thx

edit :received, thx. Nothing special noticed...

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Try looking in the AmiStore dwonloads directory and removing the partially downloade arachive then trying again. If that workd let us knowe and we can report to Matthew that there is problem with his "http / ftp resume" code.

Thanks Andy. That worked a treat.

I have purchased Multiviewer in the past, and now I see that it's part of the Enhancer Software. Unfortunately Multiviewer is so buggy that 8 out of 10 times freezes my system entirely upon quit and beyond! Thus I've been forced to use the old and trusty MultiView tool.

So, I'm expecting a bug-free program that I have paid for. Author is obliged to release a newer version which eliminates those problems for customers that have paid already for it. I don't want new features, I need the product that I have paid for to be bug-free. Forcing people to pay again, well that doesn't sound so positive; actually it's a shame.

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Unfortunately Multiviewer is so buggy that 8 out of 10 times freezes my system entirely upon quit and beyond!

Can you direct me to the place where you reported that bug?

Can you capture a serial log? And which version is that causes you such problems?

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@ Broadblues

Since the issue of problems with Multiviewer has been brought up, I'm still getting Grim Reapers with Multiviewer when I first load a .Jpg file. After clicking "ignore" its fine. This is on an X1000 with 4.1 FE and using Oliver Roberts jpg datatype. Actually its more of an annoyance than a problem though.

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