@DrBombcrater

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Spec looks pretty much as expected, but one PCI slot on a system without built-in audio? Ouch.

Well spotted! Where do I fit that soundcard, when I also have that (eternal) SCSI-board to be put in? And maybe an ISDN-board? And a you-name-it-and-I-will-put-it-in--board?
Two (2) of them would be a bare minimum, me thinks. Four (4) of them even better!

But I do not know much about computers.

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@_ThEcRoW

Since OS4 is PPC.... and also OS5 will also run on PPC

PPC are great, and PA Semi has an impressive performance/consumes ratio. IF Amiga OS can run on top of this beast it will fly, it is a dual core new generation G4 64bit.

The problem is the OS itself, these specs and prices are right (complete system).

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@OldFart

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Where do I fit that soundcard, when I also have that (eternal) SCSI-board to be put in? And maybe an ISDN-board? And a you-name-it-and-I-will-put-it-in--board?

I wouldn't worry about the PCIe, the whole industry is moving along that way. Until then you might use PCIe->PCI converter, which is available for some time.

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It will be interesting to see what people outside the Amiga community think of this Amiga. Are you going to be able to run other operating systems on it ie Linux?

Sounds interesting though. Is OS4 multiprocessor aware?

@oldfart

LOL!

I could go back to the drawing board, but only with one of those motherboards on my desk

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Now that would be a true AMIGA! If it gets released within a reasonable timeframe I will definitely buy one of these babies.

What will the name of this new generation Amiga be?

1) Amiga Two
2) Power Amiga
3) Amiga PPC
4) Amiga NG
5) Amiga 64
6) Amiga 2008
7) Super Amiga
8) Amiga Due
9) Amiga X2
10) Amiga...it's never too late!

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well at least nobody wanted an ISA-slot

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What will the name of this new generation Amiga be?

Thunderbirds Amiga

@Insanity

I am sure that could be fixed in true Classic Amiga style, a PCI to ISA converter on top of PCIe to PCI converter

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@tomazkid

hehe, considering that each converter is perpendicularly attached, if you find enough types of them, you'll be able to build a staircase(worst case, find a isa->pci and begin over)

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But as the world moves more towards PCIe I guess we'll see more and more PCIe 1x cards like network cards and sound and TV cards as well, but the better ones might need a PCIe 4x slot.

There are a bunch of gigabit Ethernet cards around which are PCI-e; Single interface cards tend to be PCI-e 1 lane, with double or quad interfaces being 4 lane. Very nice cards :)

Classic PCI (of the 33MHz/32 bit variety) is unsuitable to handle even a single GbE interface (133MB/s shared bandwidth for all slots, all directions). PCI-e instead has 250GB/s per lane, in a point-to-point setup (i.e. the slots don't need to share), and in each direction (so 250GB/s from host to card, and 250GB/s from card to host). Much nicer :)

So to sum up, I don’t know if these systems ever reach the Amiga market but:

If we were supposed to built a new amiga that meets everybody’s needs then we should have:

A quad G5 clocked @ 2.5 GHz (minimmum), perhaps a double quad G6 @ 5,5 Ghz would be better.
At least 320 USB 2.0 ports or 100 ports of USB 4.0 .
8 PCI slots.
12 PCie 1x slots.
24 PCIe 2x slots.
56 PCIe 4x.
PCIe 16x with quad SLI.
24 Ram slots capable of holding at least 24 Gigs of DDR2 Ram (or maybe DDR32).
A motherborad with IDE, ATA 100 Mhz, UltraATA 133MHz, SATA, SATA II, SATA III and SATA(N) IV.
On-board sound chip producing 32 HD audio definition, sampling above 128.000 khz.

And of course at least three free slots for riser cards because the above specs might limit us!

Did I forgot something?

A, yes the OS. We want to be able to run also OS 1.3, 3.1, 3.5, 3.9, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 5.0, every linux distro on the planet, Windows 95, 98, Millenium, XP, Vista, RiscOS, MorphOS and AROS...

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Wait! What about HDD? Through at least 4 Terrabytes there!

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@Cool_amigaN

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We want to be able to run also OS 1.3, 3.1, 3.5, 3.9, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 5.0, every linux distro on the planet, Windows 95, 98, Millenium, XP, Vista, RiscOS, MorphOS and AROS...

You forgot about MacOSX...

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@ ACK

Umm, just as well I didn't buy that PS3 yet!

This sounds just great. I will use mine for some high end Audio recording studio multi-track!
*wink

Fantastic. I want one.
:)

To those who think it's expensive.... Try buy a A4000 in working order, used, on e-bay, no warrantee. Or a PPC card add on etc. Half the time most systems have no monitor either. if you still think it's expensive after that there is something wrong with you. If you want a lower priced AMIGA, go for the other option being offered for less.

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PCIe is designed for graphics and high data transfer, but audio sends very small packets and the overhead can be very big! Moving the data across PCIe is much, much higher than PCI. So what we have to do is go back to the drawing board and work on the transport part of the chip and re-design it to add more silicon to overcome some of the problems we had with PCIe. So for us to come up with a PCIe solution is going to take a while because we have to overcome the problems we're facing with that bus. "

Hmmm --- I believe this may be an indication of a lack of expertise on Creative's part, rather than a fundamental problem with PCI-e.

Looking at Intel gigabit ethernet cards --- we have a dual interface one here that we regularly blast 2.97 million packets per second into, and have it blast out 2.97 million packets per second at the same time. Each packet is 64 bytes long, and the buffers for them are about 16k apart.

That's 2.97 million 64 byte blocks the card needs to read each second, and 2.97 million 64 byte blocks it needs to write. It also needs to read 5.94 million packet descriptors per second, of 16 bytes each, and has to write back 2.97 million per second of them --- but at least the descriptors are not entirely sprinkled through memory (yet, of course, this being network stuff and all, the card cannot batch up *too* many of them before latency becomes an issue).

That's a total of roughly 288MB/s read from, and 240MB/s written to main memory, mostly in single-cacheline sized blocks. That's 1 to 2 orders of magnitude more than any sound card should ever need....

I can`t believe you are still worried and discussing about PCI(e) slots and cards. There wont be any problems with any cards !!!
(even if some try to make up problems)
The one and only problem is whether you`ll have an Amiga to put those cards in or not !!!

Now this is what I've been waiting for! The price is just right too! Remeber: It's a complete system, not just a motherboard!

I want one of these and one SAM440. Going to build someting small, portable, and power efficient around the SAM and use this beast as my new main machine as a replacement for my A1-XE which is a bit tired - can't play HD movies, lock up during USB transfers etc...

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Poster: Deniil715 Date: 8-May-2007 11:58:31 [...]can't play HD movies[...]

Hmm, I have the same prob with my pc. It’s an old Thunderbird and when I play HD movies my cpu usage goes 100%, scrabling sound and image’s quality. Any idea why and if I could overcome this?

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