@ Paul

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I was kind of hoping Deron would automatically make the OS4 release a version 5 release only

Me too, it would only be fair to us who bought V4 for OS4 and still haven't received it (I placed my order almost a year ago!). But if V5 is a REAL OS4-native version and Deron manages to overhaul the GUI using Reaction, I'll gladly upgrade.

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@Deron

Why duplicate the effort? OS4 supports MUI and has native version for OS4, so why use reaction in the OS4 version? Using MUI for all will do easier the things, MUI is supported natively by all amiga-like systems (AmigaOS 3.x, MorphOS, AmigaOS4, AROS)

@Timophonic

Because Reaction has been the official GUI toolkit of AmigaOS since 3.5. MUI is a 3rd party technology.

@timofoniac MUI SUXX thats why

Why use mui when reaction is inside the os? ...

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And because MOS people do not release their modifications of MUI.

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why use reaction in the OS4 version?

Because RA is better-integrated with the OS (it's just a set of standard BOOPSI classes controlled using Intuition functions, you don't need any support libraries) and fairly easy to program (yes it could be better documented but this will hopefully change). Also, as has been pointed out above, it is the standard GUI toolkit for AmigaOS. I don't say it is better or worse than MUI, I just don't see a point in using a third-party product when the system offers similar functionality right out of the box.

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And u have better chance of making nice eye candy gui`s with reaction, it`s simplistic and easy.

Mui with christmas tree design is a thing of the past, time to move on

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Why duplicate the effort? OS4 supports MUI and has native version for OS4, so why use reaction in the OS4 version? Using MUI for all will do easier the things, MUI is supported natively by all amiga-like systems (AmigaOS 3.x, MorphOS, AmigaOS4, AROS)

mui is a third party product. pagestream has to run on the pure amiga os.
the morphos version will use mui and the amiga version will use reaction. quite easy. the needed "wrapper libraries" for pagestream are already set if i understodd him correctly.

byebye...

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I pre-ordered version Pagestream5.0 Proffesional on the day that it was announced, so this test version is very welcome. All I need to do now is find out what my password is so I can go ahead and download it. I've already emailed grasshopper to retrieve the pass.

Brian

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It's awseome to have a world class commercial software package such as this available for the Amiga. Thanks for your continueing support. Order up people!

I love your spirit, but read Michael Merkel's post. He's right. There is no PageStream 5 available for any version of the Amiga OS. The test file is a development tool only.

Deron/Grasshopper are terrible about this sort of thing. They seem to assume that everyone who goes to the download section is following developments closely on the PageStream mail list. They should have made it clear right there next to the file what it is and what they expect people to do with it. If you're not on the mail list and prepared to provide the feedback, there's no point in downloading the file or in ordering PageStream 5. It will be a while before the fat lady sings.

HB

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would the GUI look any different when it runs on OS4?

Deron admits that he's not a graphics guy, and PageStream development is pretty much a one-man show. Don't expect the look to change.

Some parts of the GUI are adaptable. If someone wanted to contribute a new icon set, for instance, that's possible. There's been some discussion of that on the mail list but, as far as I know, nothing has happened and nothing is happening in that direction.

HB

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I guess there's no demo for non registred users.

There's no demo for anyone, registered or not, unless you're using an OS where development has progressed further. As someone has pointed out, Deron has had problems getting the equipment to develop on. However, most of the code is portable and some of the roadblocks have fallen. Many of the fires that have sprung up in the Windows and Mac versions have been doused, and it appears that Amiga is now getting renewed attention. It is coming.

HB

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I am sure this will change soon. Supporting systems that are now ridiculously old is more and more difficult and hinders further development of the program, as Deron cannot use the more modern features of the OS.

PageStream 4 development has ended except for bug fixes and a few promised features that may not be in some releases as yet. My understanding is that 4.1.x.x is the end of the road for the old Amiga OS. Only PageStream 5 and beyond will be available for OS4 and beyond.

PageStream 4 ain't too bad a place to stop. I've used it for years and continue to use it now. It's a powerhouse. But once I see a few more bugs squelched in the revised interface routines, I'll be jumping to PageStream 5 to get alpha channel support and, eventually, improved PDF conversion, plus whatever else comes along.

HB

blot: thanx for clearing up some of this...

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Wow it's fantastic to see the changes in the OS4 community in just a
little bit over a year.

I wrote a post stating that everyone should use Reaction and dump MUI
and I almost got flamed
Everyone told me then how good MUI was and that Reaction lacked this
and that. I claimed everything you guys are writing now :)
Better integration, the future, 3rd party etc.

This is a good change I think. I hope it hasn't got anything to do with MUI
being "controlled" by "the evil side" ?


/Harry

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PageStream 4 development has ended except for bug fixes and a few promised features that may not be in some releases as yet. My understanding is that 4.1.x.x is the end of the road for the old Amiga OS. Only PageStream 5 and beyond will be available for OS4 and beyond.

this is not true. pgs v4ppc will be availablo for os4. as all pgs versions share the same code v4 ppc will be available almost at the same time as v5 ppc. this has been confirmed by deron on the mailinglist!

byebye...

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samwel: well 1+ year ago reaction wasnt reaction as we know it now imho.

the changes lately (since 3.9) has been huge!.

oh and mui.. i like it but its buggy (for many...not in general for me tou..)

to skin a app in mui is like 500 clicks..... for reaction its more like.... 10... compared anyway...

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