IIRC, Buck said that in spring y2004 already....

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Better to have new hardware then no hardware at all, so I hope this works out, I'm NOT buying one from GGS-Data unless it run's AmigaOS4.0 or better 4.1 so I don't consider this news until it's done.

If not there is always Troika Ami'05 or some thing else, Genesi can easily find them self competing whit other hardware companies for there same market if they don't take control.

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If you haven't noticed, Eclipsis handheld was canceled very long time ago.

No, that can't possibly be. Don't you know smartcards are the future? STBs too. And whatever other fad is in with the tech crowd that don't really *get* tech.

And yes, someone is pusing something down our throats. Just seeing that name in this community angers me as much as the mentioning of Medhi Ali or - on a smaller scale - Czerwinski. Greed, lack of understanding of what this community is about, childish behaviour, lousy treatment of Amiga talents (who in many cases are now ex-Amiga talents thanks to it) and a small group of blindly loyal lobbyists going on with the private jihad of BBRV just makes me want to see them pack up and leave for good.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind the product as such, but as long as people of such low caliber continue to rant condescendingly - even patronizing (Quote:

We will post some information as soon as we can that you will understand

) - I won't touch it and would prefer if it was largely ignored by people who should know better. (not blaming jahc btw - this has popped up elsewhere too).

This whole community would be better off without BBRV - they are the main obstacle that stands between a reunion of the factions. Haven't you noticed how feces start to fly as soon as they pop up? (And no, I'm actually not implying that BBRV are monkeys ^_^)

@Trezzer:

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This whole community would be better off without BBRV - they are the main obstacle that stands between a reunion of the factions. Haven't you noticed how feces start to fly as soon as they pop up? (And no, I'm actually not implying that BBRV are monkeys ^_^)

Then what had stopped that happening before? We already had lots of factions in Amiga, Cybergraphx Vs Picasso, Mui Vs Reaction, Haage Vs phase5...

Many talks about Carl Sassenrath being fooled by Bill Buck at Viscorp days, when Viscorp wanted to purchase Amiga... but it happens that Carl Sassentath nowadays is closer to Genesi then of Amiga itself...

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"Just a quick note that we've updated our Genesis PPC build of REBOL/Core and just recently added support for REBOL/View (the graphical version of REBOL) for your system! These releases also support the new REBOL Virtual Machine ("rebcode") that we are finalizing. The VM obtains performance 10-20 times (not percent, times!) faster for special types of numeric and graphical applications."

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Maximum cash for minmum effort

I'm all with that, after all isn't it the holly grail of any business? I'm not implying by this that we should forget the user service, but in the end that what happens to the biggest companies, they do more with less...
Laziness can and is in fact a virtue by itself if done well

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Genesi is no trust category they have don every thing to trash every thing in the past,

* They where active in anti campaign agents the AmigaOne hardware, no company should ever do that no matter what!

* They try to take over AmigaInc whit force

* They lobby in the community make announcements that are incomplete, that may or may not happen.

* They sponsor competing OS platforms, and use the Amiga name as they se feat whit out being able to run the OS, and whit out having the rights to the name or OS.

Put all that a side, if they manage to do some thing right for once, I will forget all that.

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Then what had stopped that happening before? We already had lots of factions in Amiga, Cybergraphx Vs Picasso, Mui Vs Reaction, Haage Vs phase5...

So very true. The latter war is of course what escalated into the current situation more or less. But thanks to BBRV's sh*t stirring things became so bad that it hurt the community as a whole far more than anything in recent years. It turned off outsiders checking out the new platforms (just check out comments at mainstream tech sites) and it made a lot of people disillusioned who grabbed their stuff and left.

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Many talks about Carl Sassenrath being fooled by Bill Buck at Viscorp days, when Viscorp wanted to purchase Amiga... but it happens that Carl Sassentath nowadays is closer to Genesi then of Amiga itself...

I wouldn't call that particularly close. Yes, Rebol has been ported to PPC Linux on an ODW. But that's basically it. So far anyway. Why should they say no to a free piece of hardware, when Rebol's goal is to run on as many platforms as possible?

Your point about cash/effort is common sense. What I'm pointing out is the tendency to try to use others as leverage only to discard them later.Oh, and just thinking about the baby-talk discussion style from BBRV gives me the creeps. Especially that some people actually stooped to his level and entered the discussion. What good is an entrepeneur that has no sense of style, market directions or market demands unless someone points them out to him every time?

But what we need isn't cash in one entrepeneurs pocket even if it helps get cheaper hardware/software. Sure, money is good. Money is great. But what we need is pursuit of excellence and nothing less than that. Without that the Amiga platform as a whole will stagnate. Luckily there are lots of people on all sides working hard for this and I'll tip my hat to them any day.

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kgrach: the Efrika looks nice and is along the lines of something I thought about building after reading about that chip.

OK, sounds good.

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by putting an AGP instead of a PCI port on the little guy you are actually limiting its usefulness as a system and its sales potential as a result.

not so good. obviously more and better thinking about this board needs to happen.

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Trezzer: But what we need isn't cash in one entrepeneurs pocket even if it helps get cheaper hardware/software. Sure, money is good. Money is great. But what we need is pursuit of excellence and nothing less than that. Without that the Amiga platform as a whole will stagnate. Luckily there are lots of people on all sides working hard for this and I'll tip my hat to them any day.

amen, brother! I'd rather go with people who have Real knowlegde of HW (which I don't have, my talents are elsewhere) and see what they come up with.
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@Treezer

Replace "BBRV" with "HyperionMP" or "MagicSN", and it would still be just as true (if not even more).

The situation is sh#t but trying to blame just one variable in the equation means you haven't learned a damn thing from history (which means you have to repeat it).

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@kgrach who said:
"Wonder why we never heard of that Efrika board before now."

Could it be an attempt to steal Troika's thunder, or possibly even stall their board's release? BBRV must have gotten worried that we might actually get someone competant producing OS4-compatible motherboards, which would mean they'd stand no chance of having OS4 on the Pegasos. That's pure speculation, of course.

Whatever the reason, just about anything that BBRV has said in the past, towards the Amiga market, has been aimed at stirring things up - i.e. grabbing attention by getting things controversial/emotional. (And there's no point in denying that, since BBRV even admitted it themselves at one point. It's simply how they handle PR. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.)

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@Kronos

Say what you will. In my opinion no single (or in this case the strange dual combination) individual has caused as much damage since Ali. There are redeeming qualities. Persistance, an apparent wish to succeed and so on, but for someone who p*sses on even his own "people" ("we've moved on") he sure keeps coming back a lot. I honestly don't see why you would want come to his defense. He is *the* biggest offender ever in the history of the Amiga - even if Ali got more money out of his fiendish ways.

Of course it's just my opinion, and you're entitled to think that others share his place in history. But I can't see how that's possibly by any definition.

@Treezer

BBRV came into the Amiga-scene in late 2001 (the Viscorp matter is a differnt one).

- the split with all that fighting started way before when one group insisted to take every BS-of-the-day they got fed by this-weeks-owner-of-da-name.Inc, while the other said "screw dat name, we'll make our own".

- company-official lying into the face of hard evidence, and insulting users who dare to question them also go further back

- companies screwing companies and users was also allready quite popular (remember H&P vs Amino, the Party-Pack or looking at a real classic.... XPert.)

So all in all BBRV were a mere icing on the cake, or if you like that 1 gramm of uranium that made it a critical mass.

Yes they did some real stupid and unproffesional things some even outright mean (just like the_other_Bill,Barry,Jürgen,Ben and what ever MrElbox is called by his mummy), but they also did sponsor trade-show, development of SW (direct and by sending free HW) and were they 1st ones who could offer the community a "next-gen-PPC-Amiga" (and at the moment they also them to be the only ones).

Bottom line: Judge companies by their products and the service they provide, cos otherwise you'll end up in a cave wearing rabbit-skins and eating worms

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Why not just eat the rabbits since you'd obviously already have the skin ? ;) Anyway, to move your allegory to more real terms, I'd be quite happy to stick with my Amiga 4000 if that were the only alternative.

I get where you're coming from. I really do. I still choose to flip the finger at whoever I feel is most deserving of it, though. I agree that there are more crooks than one, but this is the end of level boss.

(edit) by XPert do you mean the transputing thing? Didn't remember that so I had to look it up.

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Wonder why we never heard of that Efrika board before now. looks sweet as it sould cost under $200 BTW AGP or PCI on that chips bus is really more about marketing than performance.

It was announced at Freescale Technology Forum in June. That's 3.5 months ago, demoed playing Doom in the vendors exhibit room.

As for AGP vs PCI on the thing, it's almost a single-chip board. There's a boot ROM and a PCI slot, but pretty much everything else is in the CPU as shown then, including the PCI controller and not any AGP. That's really where that decision comes from for this sort of product, no sense in adding a bridge chip to such a power-concious system that would only convert to regular PCI in the CPU anyway.

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You can wear the skin a rabbit much longer than you can eat the little
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And if you were really not prepared to buy from companies with bad
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I beg your pardon? It was announced a while ago, in that Freescale show and then on ANN.lu, MZ, etc.

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@billt

Read my post, I said I know that chip. The memory controller and the PCI bus is built into the chip.

I like the single PCI port that is on the prototype, I said it makes more sense.

BBRV is the one who said the new version has an AGP port instead of a PCI that is on proto.
that really doesn't make sense to me.

So direct your comments at BBRV not me.

kgrach

They say that they'll integrate a GFX chip on the board, so it probably means an AGP bus, not an AGP port. Could be an AGP port temporarily, for testing.

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@amigr

quote from BBRV "Note latest EFIKA revision: the PCI slot is now AGP."

again I like the EFIKA the way it currently is with one PCI slot. Built in graphics takes away from the basic low power imbedded design computer it currently is.

Also I don't think he could license the design as it is a standard chip and standard off the shelf parts. They could however license the firmware.

if anyone made one I would still buy it as it is.


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