@wegster

Great initiative!

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@wegster

What a guy...

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thank you weg!

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@all

Just to re-iterate a few things already said, as I know some of you know what goes into some of these projects, while others really don't.

Deniil715 said:
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And it's also true what wegster says about support. As a developer it's the bugreports, suggestions and appreciations, in e-mails or on forums, that keeps me going! Never go by the belief that "someone else has probably already reported this bug" because that is often not true (or I make *very* bugfree software ). Even if you think someone has posted the bugreport you should do it anyway because that only gives me energy to fix it even faster!

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Getting money donations isn't that useful unless the developer is very very poor or the donation is very big I think. If someone feels like giving something worth cash it's then better to do like wegster and Dietmar and buy a program, or do like Alan Havlik who sent me a big box or very tasty cookies a long time ago.

Umm, Denill715, do you _realize_ you've just told AmigaWorld that they should send you PANCAKES?


And from ssolie, the man that seems to endlessly work on OS4 dev tools and ports (among others):
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'd like to remind all the software users out there to do something, anything, to acknowledge the remaining developers and welcome any new ones for whatever platform you prefer. Even a simple email would do. Without feedback this hobby gets rather boring and when developers get bored they tend to move on. In other words, if you can spend the time to read web forums all day I think you can spend a minute to write a quick email to your favourite developer to thank them.

Chris_Y (Author of Wet and others, great program BTW!):
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I don't ask for anything for my programs, but emails from users, with bug reports, suggestions and notes of thanks are always appreciated. It's nice to know that somebody is using the software, and if it wasn't for os4depot's download stats, I would think that nobody was.

These sorts of comments are pretty common among developers, in particular ones that offer their work for free, or for a small fee. Much to my chagrin, I've yet to find time to write anything myself for OS4, but these guys are doing it, in some cases on top of more of the same day in and day out for their 'real jobs' as well. I can guarantee virtually every programmer out there has spent days up without sleep chasing that 'one difficult bug,' and likely has also had one of those those days where they wonder why they're even doing it at all. Some of those 'easy fixes' that people come to expect really can take indeterminate amounts of time, sometimes rewriting large portions of code over, or staring at debug output or a debugger until your eyes glaze over.

Daniel mentioned he isn't a huge fan of PayPal and such, but everyone is different. And very true, where projects even like YAM collect very little in donations, $5 here or there really doesn't matter to most, but a thank you note along with it, perhaps hardware donations for some, or some time spent helping to chase down a difficult problem, or even the old 'postcardware' software...can make a difference to these guys (and girls).

And finally, at Steff:
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Well, whats taking so long? Get the lead out so we can put some greenbacks in circulation!

This isn't so easy to answer. We'll leave it at 'it's a long story,' but hopefully one with a happy ending that will help some of us to show our appreciation in ways that benefit everyone.

In the meantime, however....if you have a favorite program, or you see a post from a dev asking for help chasing down a problem, or you come across a PayPal link for a program you've used for years, or just started using....'well, whats taking so long?'

PS - No 'guilt' meant in any of this, as we have both well-off and not so well off Amiga owners out there, but if each of us were able to do what we could now and then.....it might actually be the start of a community worth being a part of!

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@wegster

I got two donations the other day, and a sponsored CubicIDE

It made me very happy, and my wife even told me that she will not be able to tell me that I sit too much in front of the computer anymore

PS: an email now and then will also make me happy

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It's things like this that makes my love for the amiga and it's community to never run out. I especially like that box of cookies that was sent out, that's priceless! =)
In the big and unpersonal pc world, all 'free' programs are more or less evil, with spyware and annoying commercial popups everywhere. That, or cripled programs, that are somewhat useable until you pay up, and get a decripled version. The Windows world is way to unpersonal, and that's why they ask for money all the time I guess, it's a way of getting feedback, but it all feels so full of greed. Not even the simplest program is 100% free anymore, in the windows world that is. The Amiga story is a different matter and this thread proves it. Luv 'n' Respect!

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I got my IDE today

A CD-R with a nice label in a transparent DVD-like case. The CD seems to have been light-scribed with the word CUBIC too

Thankyou again!

I'll check it out after breakfast (yea I know it's afternoon already, but hey! I'm busy during the nights )

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Got mine too along with a nice greetings note from Wegster, it's a shame that they don't support OS4 directly, though.
Being used to it as we speak ;)

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it's a shame that they don't support OS4 directly, though.

I provide a lot of direct support for OS4: integration with the OS4 SDK, fixing bugs that show up under OS4, user interface upgrades to provide some visual consistency, etc. So you must mean that there is no native version and/or that no new OS4-specific APIs are used, like Reaction. Let's see:

As far as the user interface is concerned, I prefer to use my own GUI toolkit. I own the source code and that means royalties for myself and my customers can be avoided (MUI is shareware on OS3), I'm not locked into one corner (OS4's Reaction) and I understand it inside-out. Concerning the non-use of specific APIs of OS4: everything that locks developers into one corner must provide a lot of benefits and attract a lot of customers. I don't see such an API.

As far as non-nativeness is concerned: The best free Windows IDE at the moment, Eclipse, doesn't run natively. The quality of such software has little to do with how its binary code is generated: by a gcc (before shipping it to end users) or by a JIT compiler on-the-fly. In the end, you have PPC code that is executed by a PPC CPU. There is a price to be paid, performance wise, but it isn't big in this case. It will get small for OS4 users, too, very soon, with the JIT-enabled release. The obvious advantage of the run-time-compilation approach is that development can be decoupled considerably from development hardware (no need to by all platforms), CPU and compilers.

@dietmar:

Hey man, don't get me wrong, your IDE is great enough,it's only that i want to run as less emulated apps as i can, allowing me to disable the emulation and work in a complete almost PPC environment.I wasn't asking to support any User interface,it's just that having a native app would allow me to disable the emulation, thus saving some memory.I'm hoping to be able to run some day a full PPC system.Old legacy days are reaching its end(IMHO).

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having a native app would allow me to disable the emulation

Is there any emulation? A JIT compiler is, as the name says, a compiler. It creates PPC code. At the end of the compilation stage, you should have pure PPC code in memory that calls more pure PPC code in form of the OS. At least that's my theory. I don't know how it really works in OS4 and with JIT.

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thus saving some memory

You've got a point here. But with 512 MB or 1 GB in your computer, should you care? Looking at other platforms, I do not get the impression that managed code (non-native code) is on the decline, regardless of such issues. For developers, platform/cpu-agnostic code can be very tempting. Especially in our corner: so many platforms, so little users.

@dietmar:

Having just 256Mb on my µA1 machine is not very friendly when it comes to compiling big projects,you might know that GCC is very memory hungry.
Having said that,OS4 comes with two emulators, the interpretive one that comes bundled with the kernel and is used by all pre-release owners, and petunia JIT compiler, which comes as a separate kickstart module used by the kernel that can be disabled thus saving memory.JIT recompilation means as well that you need to translate the code to PPC so you need Memory to store this code.

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@thread

Yes! I got the cubic IDE today and after some configuration I'm begining to
like it very much.

What got me was the professional installation of the system and the supported
OS4 syntax highlighting! ... oh and being able to hit a button to "make" a
project makes me smile.

Great work dietmar!

..and thanks again Wegster for the present, it's much appreciated and being
put to good use already. Inspired I continue work on you know what!

3 cheers for Wegster and dietmar!
Bean.

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