Discussion has always been good, but it all too easily falls into abuse. Hold the line on removing abuse and all should be well.

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@Jerry

I put forth that proposition very recently. We'll see what comes of it.

As regards the next issue, re: sigs in news articles. That is never displayed in a news item. I think something with the forum language has to do with it IIRC (it was a hot item a couple of years ago).

@amigacooke

We intend, and will, apply the Terms and Policies of this site when the need arises whether that takes the form of trolling or whatever.

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Poster: Jerryuk007 Date: 11-Jan-2006 6:19:17 I just noticed that the Signature is not display in a News-Item ?

That's the way it has always been. Sigs display in forum topics only.

I really hope that along with this segregation we will also get stronger moderation... IMO not the topics were the problem here mainly, but how some folks were coming along and destroy them or turn into a very different angle.

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@all

BTW, it's obvious what's on most minds here, yet no one's commented on the changes to the 'PPC Amigas' category with the new OS4 forums. Anyone?

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@itix
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I dont think this mean AmigaWorld is turning (morphing?) to MorphOSWorld. The MorphZone is still right place to solve Radeon 3D problems or ask for CISC's GCC. Same goes for AROS with their aros-exec forum.

I agree. With very specific questions such as these, I would also maybe prefer other forums. Nevertheless, I think the "Alternative OS" forum will be very popular since I don't think I'm the only guy being interested in OS4, but also in what's going on in the rest of the Amiga-world.

@Mikey_C
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Now MorphOS and AROS users have their own forums to post their comments, (...)

Do I have to buy a Pegasos or get a copy of AROS in order to post there? Do I have to buy an AOne (where?) in order to post on OS4 forums?
I hope not. Your statement is easily misunderstood.

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@wegster
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yet no one's commented on the changes to the 'PPC Amigas' category with the new OS4 forums.

The delineation between "Amiga OS4.x/Workbench 4.x" for the OS and "Amiga OS4 Software"
for 3rd party programs, could be extremely helpful.
Perhaps this would cut down on the amount of reading/searching that our devs and
betatesters need to do? They probably will more easily find the topics/categories
relating to their needs this way.

Re:The "example" given for an "Amiga General Chat" question.
If the "trying to get a new card to work right" was for either PPC, Classic, or
Emulation, I think the user would probably place the question in the existing
appropriate forum, such as "Amiga OS4 Hardware", "Classic Amiga Hardware", or
"Amiga Emulation".
Therefore, could you supply a different example question to help identify the
purpose of the "Amiga General Chat" forum? Or am I wrong about this?

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@wegster

Are you fishing? I would have thought that the changes would have been fairly self explanatory given the a number of the announcements and comments from various sections of the community in recent times.

What would really have raised an eyebrow would have been "MIPS Amigas", "ARM Amigas" or even "Beowulf Cluster Amigas"...

However, do you know something that we don't (PPC Amiga wise that is)?

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we have seen a widening of our membership base, and hopefully each of us as individuals as well

I am starting to get a little - 'portly' I suppose.

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Hold on....

You got the labelling wrong for the "Alt Amiga OS" forum.... It should have read "Siberia". That's where those nasty threads comparing systems should go.

Are you getting my point?
It's not quite censorship.....it's segregation.

Ok....I'll just go sit in the corner facing the wall and hope somebody notices.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
We have no weiners!!! You have some buns!!! Go sit in the corner!!!

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The delineation between "Amiga OS4.x/Workbench 4.x" for the OS and "Amiga OS4 Software" for 3rd party programs, could be extremely helpful. Perhaps this would cut down on the amount of reading/searching that our devs and betatesters need to do? They probably will more easily find the topics/categories relating to their needs this way.

Yes, that was part of the reasoning for the seperation there. If a user is having an issue or question about 'core OS4,' as shipped or via update from Hyperion - workbench, video modes, Prefs, etc, then the most appropriate place is the AmigaOS4/Workbench forum.

For questions and discussion of '3rd party' software, commercial, off OS4Depot or aminet, it belongs in AmigaOS4 Software.

There are some posts that will likely be migrated into the AmigaOS4 Software forum from the current AmigaOS4/WB forum, and some have already been moved there.

This hopefully will help out Hyperion and company when checking in on user questions, as well as other application developers and the users. Fingers crossed and all that...


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Re:The "example" given for an "Amiga General Chat" question. If the "trying to get a new card to work right" was for either PPC, Classic, or Emulation, I think the user would probably place the question in the existing appropriate forum, such as "Amiga OS4 Hardware", "Classic Amiga Hardware", or "Amiga Emulation". Therefore, could you supply a different example question to help identify the purpose of the "Amiga General Chat" forum? Or am I wrong about this?

The new forum layout is a compromise of what we think collectively makes sense, will help people better find what they're looking for, as well as past topics and expcetd future ones.

The key word being 'compromise,' we're going to find situations that aren't quite so 'cleanly' covered even by the new forums, and we will likely clarify a bit as we encounter some of those situations.

In the case of a classic/PPC system, were it running OS4, and the user looking for accelerator jumper settings, it belongs in the Classic Hardware section still, as it is in fact a classic, and it is a hardware issue. If it was the same system running OS4, and his PPC wasn't being seen by the OS while installing, it would belong in the Amiga OS4/Workbench section.

Hope that clears it up, but keep the questions coming, as it helps us in refining the definitions!

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@moderators/admins

Are you planning to make "sticky" threads on top of some forums in order to explain their purpose a bit more detailed? Sorry, not trying to put more workload on you, but this could be good for new users or ppl who did not follow the comments made in this news-thread.

I think this is not necessary for all forums, since most of them are pretty self-explanatory (e.g. Amiga Gaming). For other forums this is not 100% clear for, or might be misunderstood, stickys could explain this further, resulting in less work for moderators to move threads placed in wrong categories.

Oh, I just saw that the "Welcome to the Alt Amiga Forum!" was made sticky. Ok this is what I meant.

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Therefore, could you supply a different example question to help identify the purpose of the "Amiga General Chat" forum? Or am I wrong about this?

I think the "Dave Haynie" thread is a good example for that. Although the thread is not specifically about him, it is a bit of everything, the discussion of different hw-platforms for the Amiga, Amiga status-quo, a bit of OS-discussion. I guess putting it in the "Alt Amiga OS" category would not be the right choice since it does not only focus on OS and contains many hypothetical opinions/statements.

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Are you fishing? I would have thought that the changes would have been fairly self explanatory given the a number of the announcements and comments from various sections of the community in recent times.

Lol, not at all. Just expecting questions. Believe me, we've had enough questions within staff in the first place, so sort of expecting some additional ones yet!


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However, do you know something that we don't (PPC Amiga wise that is)?

Well, I could tell ya, but then I'd have to...

No, not at all, I most certainly wish that I did.

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@BigBentheAussie

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You got the labelling wrong for the "Alt Amiga OS" forum.... It should have read "Siberia". That's where those nasty threads comparing systems should go. Are you getting my point? It's not quite censorship.....it's segregation. Ok....I'll just go sit in the corner facing the wall and hope somebody notices.

Well, I agree with the "sit in the corner facing the wall" part here anyway.

Are you sitting down? Got a firm grip on your chair's armrests?
Developers and users actually work -together- to solve problems. The results
are a benefit to both "sides". And devs actually sometimes learn something from
"users" who would not be participating in a "dev" forum.
So...the category "Alt Amiga OS" forum is a place where, for example, a user of
an alternative "Amiga OS" can express an idea/bugfix/etc. that could actually
help all parties concerned. (both "sides")
IMO, the topic category breakdowns serve as a "facility" to make -more- headway
for -everyone- in problem solving.
Why would you instantly see such a thing as "segregation"?

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An excellent idea.
Very well thought and very well done

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Two thumbs down. There is already plenty of space on the Internet to discuss Amiga API clones.

The rest of the changes were necessary given the AmigaOne brand is (hopefully) only one hardware platform that can run OS4.

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I think it's a bad idea. Thin end of the wedge and all that. Moreover it's going to give the buck fanboys and buck himself an outlet to spam (again) like he did with his "Ooh lookit my blog on a morph-os website!"

Bad, bad, bad idea guys.

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Not Really, the alt.amiga forum is not visible from the front page. Think of this forum as a concession to members who wish to discuss those particular issues. They can now do so on Amigaworld, without upsetting some of the Pro AmigaOS members. At the end of the day there are other sites which cater explicitly for their desires.

Hopefully this will mean that people discussing MOS/AROS can now do so in peace and vice versa.

This is a good solution, it will hopefully will keep everyone happy.

My Door is always open and I am happy to pass on concerns to DaveyD if necessary.

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Bravo!

This will not be easy to moderate so thanks to all the moderators for making this change.

A “Sticky” on some of the forums would be helpful as was mentioned.

I like the concept of finer granularity but hope it doesn’t isolate some at the same time
as an unforeseen consequence..

I’m sure none of this is in “stone” and can be adjusted as needed.

Again I applaud the staff for making changes in an attempt to meet the ever changing
Amiga “scene”

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BTW, it's obvious what's on most minds here, yet no one's commented on the changes to the 'PPC Amigas' category with the new OS4 forums. Anyone?

Its good...

But seriously, I'm happy with the changes across the board. I hope this will lead to more productive discussions instead of seeing who can p*ss highest up the wall*...

*Note. smillies... to be taken in good humour...

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