its a nice shooter, I think Zeoneo have some screenshots on their site :)

Well, that would certainly be an option but I suspect
that they will just build on their already available
codebase for the first release of their product.
I cannot be certain about that though.

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hm, i don't think, it's useful to don't diuscuss certain subjects just to prevent flames or similar.
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actually the original questionis a very good one, especially if you look at other forums. nobdoy knows about the ip thing regarding cf2, 'cause motionstudio told us to be working on that not so long ago.
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btw., if one support aos4, then it's good news, if one app moves from mos to aos4

@AMiGR

I see your point (and partly I agree) but I think Kay's was just a legitimate question, not a quest for a flamewar

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When posting positive stuff about a product is not tolerated, posting negative stuff about it
shouldn't be, either.
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The onus is on you m8 to tell the moderators
what was so negative about a simple question.

When you do that, maybe you can tell me.

It's not actually negative but it's best that statements
about MOS, good or bad should be kept out of here.
That was my point.

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Wasn't CandyFactory supposed to be a flagship application of MorphOS?

Funny I was thinking the same thing.

It was, when it was a Titan product.
Actually the best thing, for companies that are able
to do it, is to support 3.x 4.x and MOS.
They will get enough sales to justify the effort this way.

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MOS isn't a taboo here at AmigaWorld per se, just like Windows, Linux or BeOS aren't. However these topics aren't the focus of this website.

So, when these alternatives are relevant to the Amiga topics discussed, IMO there isn't much of a problem. At least I see nothing wrong with DaveW's raised question.

Not sure about your logic here!

First you say that it won't be that easy to port to another OS and then you say that everyone should port to 2 almost nonexistant OS's to warrant sales??????

Besides if it's already been done for MOS maybe doing AOS is only an "enter" push away?

Anyways I guess we'll be getting all of Zeoneo's DE apps as soon as we get the DE for Amiga OS.

Can't imagine Amiga Inc. waiting forever to do that!

:)

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>Stop mentioning MorphOS on an AOS thread.

I see what you mean. Just look at what happened on ANN at http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1047602233&category=news&start=1&85

This does bring up a question posed by several members of my local Amiga users group. How does one ensure an AmigaOS 4.0 application will not run on any alternative AmigaOS API implementations? In other words, if I'm a developer, what kinds of code changes would be necessary to ensure my software will only run on a certified AmigaOne machine?

We postulated that the AmigaOS 4.0 libraries would be the key. Either the version number would too high and thus OpenLibrary() would fail or the application would use the new library API features.

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Messiah wrote:
> There are cross platform toolkits available for both DE and AOS though.

Can you elaborate on what that means for the bedroom coder (like myself)? That is, if you can (i.e. not under NDA).

I'd like to be able to create a C or C++ application and be able to compile it to native PPC code and/or native VP code. Of course there will be API diffs at the lowest level but I'm talking about the non-OS-specific level here.

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@AMiGR

You complain here about a AmigaOne/Aos4 supporter
bringing MOS into this thread.

But then you defend a MOS supporter who has done the same thing on the same topic at http://www.ann.lu/

wich you go by the name of Alkis Tsapanidis on ANN.

If a MOS surpporter had said it here instead of a Amigaone/Aos4 person you would of said nothing.

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>This does bring up a question posed by several members of >my local Amiga users group. How does one ensure an >AmigaOS 4.0 application will not run on any alternative >AmigaOS API implementations? In other words, if I'm a >developer, what kinds of code changes would be necessary >to ensure my software will only run on a certified >AmigaOne machine?

Well, MOS does not have any kind of AmigaOS 4 Support.
OS 3.x and 4.x is a *big* difference. You could ask as well
why MOS applications won't run on an AmigaOS 3.x machine with PPC Accelerator (using WarpUP or PowerUP). Or on LinuxPPC (or maybe the better
comparision would be "Why does a Linux-x86 Binary not
also run on NetBSD-x86"? :) )

But there hasn't anything to be done to PREVENT them from running. It is of course just the same the other way round (MOS apps won't work on OS 4 as well as OS 4 apps won't work on MOS).

It is just that certain parts of the OSes are done in a completely different way, that even if some of the APIs are similar these are different OSes.

Of course what you said about the Libraries is true. Both OSes use different Library-Models (at least for Native, not-68k Libraries...)

MagicSN

I will not let this stop me from asking
pertinent questions about the shifting market
on here, with the moderators leave, be it
application providers that make the switch from
MOS to AOS4 or AOS4 to MOS.

If I do raise a question in a way that can
be construed as "troll-bait" then I fully
expect my peers and the moderators to pick me
up on it.

I find it amusing that those that claim "AmigaWorld"
readers want to put their head in the sand and
"ignore reality" have the hypocrisy to condemn
same readers who do not.

I am sorry for asking awkward questions about
the MOS marketplace, it is the second time I have
done so innocently and been flamed for it. The
first time when I asked a question about the
difficulties of supporting Pegasos repairs when
the Articia-S chip supply to Genesi has dried up
and now this. In both cases I have only asked
the question *once*. If I was a troll ( like some
others I could mention ) I would have kept repeating
the question.

If nothing else, it makes me glad that I have
swung my wholehearted support behind Hyperion
and Eyetech on the delivery of OS4. You may
claim this as "blindness" or "not accepting
reality" but frankly, you would expose your
intolerance and ignorance to do so.

My support is now 100% because, frankly, in the
eyes of those that have endeavoured to change
my mind over the last 12 months Genesi has
problems that are out of their control whilst
Hyperion and Eyetech make premeditated decisions
to "mislead" the Amiga public. Yep, hypocrisy
has firmed up my support of Ben, Tim, Hans-Joerg,
Thomas, Alan and the AOS4 team.

Sure, I am now wildly offtopic - but hey, given
the criticism was so public the response better
be too. Yep, I am a bit angry but I hope you will
all forgive me this.

I now know the answer to both questions I have
asked, no clearer demonstration was made than
the indignant responses I got in each case.

If you think this is trollbait, then I have to
respond - no it is not, if you want to flame me
please send an email to me here, or to my recently
publicised address at my place of work.

@moderators

I realise this is borderline. Moderate if you will. I do
not wish to prolong the flame-war but merely illustrate
my position on the matters raised since my original
question.

Don't kill me for my ignorance, but
what is Candy Factory. What kind of program?




Maybe it's used for produceing candy, chocolate
and other sweet stuff Joke!!!

Actually, bad from my part, there, I kept a personal
flamewar with Samface, I did not do it do defend
anyone else. If you wanna know WHY I would want
to do that to Samface, take a look at some threads
in the beginning of last year.... He was the first to
manage to keep a flamewar running for 600 comments
and the first to make me bang my head on a computer
monitor about a forum... Also he's the only person I
know that continues repeating the same thing after
you PROOVE him wrong and in the 600-post war even
Ben told him that he was wrong... Yet he continued...
And a last thing... After he did all those things, he
ALWAYS got out of a thread claiming not to have done
anything wrong and not to have started a flame...

So please Alkemyst, look deeper in those flames, I
was in there cause I had personal problems with
someone. Not good but true.

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if you want to move between DE and AOS first off you should limit yourself to languages available on both platforms(C/C++ not VP or Assembler), the second thing would be to keep tabs on Endian issues and finaly separate host dependancy to limit the amount of work needed.

there are atleast some toolkits available for this(http://teklib.neoscientists.org/ off the top of my head).

this is if you want to have the app running native on AOS though(or DE) and not run it on AOS through DE.

There are other options but those arent for the public yet so I better keep quiet about those for now :)

Later

Jonas Gustavsson
Amiga Inc.

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Don't kill me for my ignorance, but what is Candy Factory. What kind of program?

It's a graphic processing app for doing some really nice effects. Check here on Zeoneo's website for more detailed info.

To get an idea of what Candy Factory is like, you could also read Robert Bryant's review of an earlier version of Candy Factory from 1999.