Didn't Hermans brag about suing Epic/RuneSoft and Titan some year ago? Maybe I'm wrong, but if so I guess that might have affected their view of Hyperion and their products...?

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Interesting... what does this program do that Fryingpan cant?

I can burn DVD what FryingPan can't do here. It can burn ISO what FryingPan can't do here.

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So how come Frying pan can burn dual layer DVDs on my A1 no problem. The A1 XE with DMA on the native IDE is more than capable of burning DVDs

Well, that just shows that developers managed to create workarounds for the hardware bugs. And yes, of course that is a very good thing (but having the bugs in the first place isn't)

Actually I don't think that DVD burning would be THAT demanding. On my A1200, I could successfully burn a full CD with MakeCD in less than 10 minutes with "all-IDE" configuration. Even with Articia S's lack of cache coherency (and workarounds it needs) it should be a LOT faster, and if it was still too slow, you can lower writing speed. I guess that even classic amigas might be able to burn DVD's. Isn't dvdrtools ported to 68k? Probably some user here has tried it!
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Frying pan is cheaper and easier to use than the Older MAKECD don't know about 3.0 since I don't have it yet

Actually MakeCD is a lot cheaper than Frying Pan - a free keyfile was released just a while ago

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@DJBase
I have burned ISO's with fryingpan without problems on my OS4 setup. Can you give more details just then DVD wont work.

@Jupp Yes ofcourse there is a free keyfile but that means also dead software (no updates)

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@Jupp3

You must be kidding right? Articia S is NO problem here. Anyone stating as
much is simply talking BS. No workarounds has been made by FryingPan's author.
If any, these have been made by the OS4 team. You'll have to ask the Frieden's for
more detailed info on this.
Even A1's onboard IDE has higher throughput than the highest possible on any
DVD burner (33MB/s). Although I wouldn't burn a DVD@18x speed on the fly from
harddisk on my A1. That I don't even do on my Core2Duo PC. But I know it would
work.

Please don't take this as I'm defending Articia S. I know it sucks!

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Didn't Hermans brag about suing Epic/RuneSoft and Titan some year ago? Maybe I'm wrong, but if so I guess that might have affected their view of Hyperion and their products...?

But if you your potential sales is in the low hundreds (I would guess) and a relatively
easy port would possibly double your sales. Why not do it?
It's all business at Titan I hope? They want to make money? They're not a religious
organisation??? It's not as they make MorphOS and OS4 is in competition with it.

Btw it's not as the MorphOS burning market is growing any more than the OS4
market is. Efika will not have a optical unit and we haven't heard of any other new
hardware for MorphOS yet. So availability is a moot point.

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About BurnIt.. I haven't tested it but it sure looks good. A clean, beautiful and easy
to use interface. Here is something FryingPan has more work to do on. Although
FryingPan is better than MakeCD.

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@samwell

I agree the Atricia has faults( ALMOST ALL CHIPSETS DO ) but the issues were blown out of proportion for political reasons more than anything else. Seems some people believed the lies hook line and sinker. Sad and pathetic really.

The DMA ISSUE WAS The VIA Southbridge so was the sound.
Both have been fixed. DMA has a board mod and the sound was fixed with a driver.
Cache issues are a driver issue not a software developer problem

The only real complaints for the atricia was the somewhat slow memory access and being picky about what types it takes. The Cache issue was it does not check automatically. The software has to. The other issues are part of the feature set. They make work harder for the OS4 team but again not a software developer issue.


FryingPan does burn DVD's
The only reason to buy Burnit 3.0 would be to own all the available MOS software or to reward Titan for developing a MOS version and not a AOS version.
If you are just looking for a DVD/CD burner software fryingpan is the better choice economically.

Titan could of easily made an AMIGA OS version and it would of run on all three systems.
More if you count UAE and amithon.

So titan choose to sell a hundred rather than a thousand copies silly really.

Kgrach

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I agree 100%. I know very well all the issues with Articia S after talking to several
involved people about it many times. DaveAE did a great job on fixing the audio
problem even though VIA686 gave him serious headaches.

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@Kicko

Well, I meant DVD ISOs but that maybe more a problem of dos.library (2GB file limit). On the other side I can burn CDs but thats what I could for years with MakeCD already. When I try to burn a DVD I always get errors and FryingPan aborted. So for me it was a waste of money.

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@ kgrach

Why you want an AOS Version? I thought FryingPan does the job aswell? Or are you people just screaming because you don't get an AOS Version (yet)?

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@DJBASE

Not really as I own Burnit V2.4 and as with most people in the states that owned it had trouble making it work. Maybe it was the english docs.

If you had trouble with fyingpan what OS where you running it on?

What version?

I don't currently have any problems burning 8.7 Gig DL DVD's
So I doubt that the 2gig limit is the problem.
The only problem I ever had with fryingpan was during one version after fixing an Icon problem in MOS fryingpan broke the ICONS in AOS on both classic and NG.
That was quickly fixed.

Kgrach

@DJBASE

And Yea most of the screaming is Why did Titan do something as stupid as making software just for MOS. Doesn't make sense other than to make a political statement.
MOS guys like to do that. Most Amiga Developers will make an optimised version for all OS's or just a straight Amiga version (which runs on all ). MOS guys make ports just for MOS and Then Run to the Amiga Sites and promote them. So it tends to rub people wrong. That all

It like how The Top "Amiga" software list is voted on by MOS guys then only after the lopsided results are talied they run and post them on Amiga web sites.
That kind of mean spirited antics really sour people on a great OS.

The blue bunnies havn't woken up to the fact that those kind of antics hurts them more than it does the Amiga.

Kgrach

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You must be kidding right? Articia S is NO problem here. Anyone stating as much is simply talking BS. No workarounds has been made by FryingPan's author. If any, these have been made by the OS4 team. You'll have to ask the Frieden's for more detailed info on this.

I was wondering can OS4 support DMA on CD/DVD because digital audio read from CD did not support DMA. But seems it concerns CDDA read only.

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You must be kidding right? Articia S is NO problem here. Anyone stating as much is simply talking BS. No workarounds has been made by FryingPan's author. If any, these have been made by the OS4 team.

I didn't actually "point out" any workarounds, just noted that there HAVE to be some in the system for error free transfers, be it in all software that requires DMA-capable transfers (Like you assumed I meant it), or in the OS, which is obviously a lot more sensible alternative, and I believe that's where they are.

What I meant to say was that even if speed would be "not quite as good as it could" due to the said workarounds (no matter on which level they are), I think the speed should still be easily good enough for DVD writing. Probably this would be true even with DMA disabled, at least if you lower the speed.

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The DMA ISSUE WAS The VIA Southbridge so was the sound.

Both wrong. Audio stuttering is related to Articia S and it happens only when using GPU on Radeon cards. It is not VIA bug.

DMA issue is Articia S problem as well because it does not support cache coherency. Old Amigas had the same bug.

Unless you meant DMA lockups but they are just a software bug. You should not need HW modification on A1 to get it running without lockups.

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The only real complaints for the atricia was the somewhat slow memory access and being picky about what types it takes.

Not really. Articia S is compatible with all supported SDRAM modules. Set FSB at 100MHz and they start working.

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The Cache issue was it does not check automatically. The software has to.

As I wrote above it seems it is not possible use DMA with all ATAPI commands. Until now I have been wondering if CDs and DVDs were written without DMA on A1.

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Titan could of easily made an AMIGA OS version and it would of run on all three systems.

I dont know how BurnIt is done but what if it needs some MorphOS features not existing on Amiga?

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So titan choose to sell a hundred rather than a thousand copies silly really.

All commercial development is silly.

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And Yea most of the screaming is Why did Titan do something as stupid as making software just for MOS.

Why it is not stupid to make software for OS4 only? Why is making software for MorphOS only stupid when it is not stupid for OS4?

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The blue bunnies havn't woken up to the fact that those kind of antics hurts them more than it does the Amiga.

Luckily I am not Amiga, Hyperion or Genesi salesman. If I was I could care. Since you are Amiga salesman you probably have your own motives here.

We MorphOS users are terribly sorry if you hurt your business (or Amiga's, Hyperion's or Genesi's) but that is life. Wanna try communism?

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@itix:
because many of us had Burnit 2.x registered under AOS. So its not strange people that like the software would like to have v3 also for their computer. Like every makecd user would like to have a totally new makecd version ;)
I bought burnit rather then makecd as i didnt like makecd's ISO editor.
And why talking of Fryingpan is only to tell even if some HW has bugs you can still make a program to work on them. Workarounds or whatever. This gives more money/users as its commercial.

Its not that burnit was a MOS only program before and we like an os4 or a classic aos version. Burnit classic users would prefere to use the new version too ;) This isnt something against MOS.

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DMA issue is Articia S problem as well because it does not support cache coherency.

It was a bit worse than "no support" since the function *is there* and it was *supposed* to work, but it was flawed and broken.

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Set FSB at 100MHz and they start working

I think that is a good, general advice.

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because many of us had Burnit 2.x registered under AOS. So its not strange people that like the software would like to have v3 also for their computer. Like every makecd user would like to have a totally new makecd version ;)

I bought (insanely expensive) MakeCD many many years ago... and I have to admit in the end I have not used it much. In the last year I used it maybe once and it was only to boot MorphOS from CD.

In these days it is much easier and more practical use USB memory sticks. They are cheap, fast and no special authoring software is needed to write stuff there.

This kind of software does not have much future IMO...

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I bought burnit rather then makecd as i didnt like makecd's ISO editor.

I dont like MakeCD's ISO editor either. In fact whole MakeCD GUI is ugly and clumsy and impractical.

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And why talking of Fryingpan is only to tell even if some HW has bugs you can still make a program to work on them.

I managed to burn succesfully CDs on my pre-April Peg1 and this Peg1 is now owned by Frying Pan author

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