"There is a great deal of activity going on at Amiga, and I am looking forward to sharing it all with you"

I don't see any reason to cheer, quite frankly. Why are you happy? Because they still have a CEO? Wow, this is indeed the best but only news we have had from AmigaInc since they took over.

That sentence alone, used again and again... So what are we supposed to do? Believe it once more, wait until Amiwest, then see and hear that nothing is happening. How many will fall for this trap again and again.

No offence, but if you can't do, then please give up. There is no shame in this. It is obvious that you have no money, no people, no offices, no product. So what's there to be happy about?

Do you check Amiga sites? Do you see happy people? Do you see people satisfied about what you have achieved? Ofcourse, you can blame it on the Amiga users, always unhappy while things are going great...

In a QA, Fleecy said he knew how important it was to demo OS4. Well, apparently it has been demoable since a month now? So where is the demo? Not worth organising? I guess people are full of confidence in it then? Sentences like 'OS4 development is steaming ahead' don't make an impression anymore, sorry.

Is this the future of Amiga? Fleecy wrote in Total Amiga that 2002 was a really bad year for Amiga. We are May 2003 now? Where are the signs that it will be better this time? The fact that you still have a CEO, is this what we should be happy about nowadays.

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Why are you happy? Because they still have a CEO?

Maybe you have missed recent events. There were some outragious claims lately that Amiga's shareholders fired himselves and that many more would soon be fired.

With this statement Amiga's CEO exposed in a great way the nonsense which was being spread by this competitor. Instead of addressing such issues directly and making the entire Amiga community (user+developers+companies) look pathetic, this indirect approach is effective and non damaging, that's why I am cheering!

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Ofcourse, you can blame it on the Amiga users, always unhappy while things are going great...

First of all Amiga does not blame anyone for being unhappy about the past. Secondly you should talk for yourself and not the entire Amiga community. There are people who still have patience, who understand the difficulties Amiga employees and related companies had to go through, the enormous task it is to port and modernise a largely neglected classic AmigaOS.

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It is obvious that you have no money, no people, no offices, no product. So what's there to be happy about?

Don't believe (and spread) the FUD/misinformation.

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Well, apparently it has been demoable since a month now? So where is the demo? Not worth organising?

Depends on what your definition of demoable is. Maybe Amiga and Hyperion's standards are higher for them to believe the product is suitable to be demoed. But I know this will happen soon.

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We are May 2003 now? Where are the signs that it will be better this time?

For example Garry Hare, a highly respected industry professional is taking a deep interest into Amiga, so that's already a very good sign. Also Amiga products have returned into mainstream shops after nearly a decade. Also like Alan pointed out IBM is showing an interest in AmigaOS4. There's lots more, just stay tuned.

I was eventually forced onto the PC as there was no support for the Amiga in Australia(at least where I was) almost 10 years ago.The new Amiga machine is hitting australia which means I can burn my windows disks real soon.
So damn right I am happy, this is some of the best computing news I have had for almost a decade!

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First of all Amiga does not blame anyone for being unhappy about the past. Secondly you should talk for yourself and not the entire Amiga community. There are people who still have patience, who understand the difficulties Amiga employees and related companies had to go through, the enormous task it is to port and modernise an largely neglected classic AmigaOS.

Indeed! I have just gotten my batchelors degree in ICT and did my masters thesis at Ericsson implementing a demo of HID for a mouse with Windows.

If I see how much time it takes to get something designed, programmed and tested and how small that actually is, then you can say programming takes a lot of time.

I think you can compare it with building a house. Writing a small program is the same as building a normal house when compared to man hours. Building an OS is like building a sky scraper( quite possibly the Twin towers). And if you foundation is not right then.........

Any programmer saying otherwise is an idiot. Hacking something together is indeed fast but bites you in the back at some point and then you have got a problem.

So yes indeed I have still patience. The people shouting the most about the OS still not being ready are people that have no clue.

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It's really a shame that he's heading MorphOS/PegaS.O.S. Maybe it would have had a real future if things were different.

TBH, I used to feel the same way but I believe there's a good chance it'll have a future anyway. I mean, how many people hold Bill Gates in high regard? His products seem to do OK.
Bill Buck has made some unfortunate remarks over the last year or so. I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that some of them have been deliberately inflammatory. And, whatever you think about it, he sure drums up interest. I publicly slated him for his comments on Amiga.org a while ago and ended up exchanging several PMs with him.
Over the course of many months, I eventually realised it's just his public 'style'. In private, he actually comes across as a very decent bloke.
Furthermore, while I rarely approve of this 'style', I can appreciate the reactions it usually generates. Anyway I managed to put that behind me and am awaiting delivery of a PegasOS.
Whatever your feelings for Bill, you have to admit, it looks like a nice piece of kit.
Oh, and yes - I have an A1 on order too.

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For example Garry Hare, a highly respected industry professional is taking a deep interest into Amiga, so that's already a very good sign. Also Amiga products have returned into mainstream shops after nearly a decade. Also like Alan pointed out IBM is showing an interest in AmigaOS4. There's lots more, just stay tuned.

Is this it? Is this the positive stuff we have to be happy with? I don't see it. And please, don't give us the "there is lots more, just stay tuned". I've been staying tuned for the past 3 years and have seen NOTHING!

Nope, it doesn't work for me. Have you seen Genesi in action? They have money, product, business plan, guts and they sure do know how to win customers. Quite a difference with the poor performance from Amiga Inc, no?

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Nope, it doesn't work for me. Have you seen Genesi in action?

Maybe you should look for a new hobby then? Maybe get a MorphOS computer or something and there are some nice dedicated websites for that platform too!?

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Is this all you have as reaction? It seems indeed true that a realistic discussion with you on AmigaInc is not possible.

Oh well, not important. Maybe i'll find myself that new hobby, just like many others. I mean, there is no point in sticking around until AmigaInc does something.

Maybe for once you should see the situation as it is. You know, based on facts and so on.

On second thought, i don't think you can. If you see the reaction you just gave me, then discussion seems indeed quite pointless.

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Is this all you have as reaction?

What kind of reaction would you expect? It was a simple rational suggestion. IMO Amiga employees and the employees of partners do the best they can, considering their abilities and circumstances at this point of time.

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seems indeed true that a realistic discussion with you on AmigaInc is not possible.

I was being realistic. If you think Genesi are so good, then why not just go for it?

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Maybe i'll find myself that new hobby, just like many others.

For instance there are currently 600 Genesi product users. I can hardly see that as a success story, I hope the AmigaOne-XE does alot better now it's available in significant quantities.

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Maybe for once you should see the situation as it is. You know, based on facts and so on.

I based my suggestion on facts, I have viewed your attitude since the day you joined AmigaWorld and it makes me wonder why you don't just go for another hobby. IMO a hobby should be fun and not something to worry or get angy about all of the time. Just my personal opinion.

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Nope, it doesn't work for me. Have you seen Genesi in action? They have money, product, business plan, guts and they sure do know how to win customers. Quite a difference with the poor performance from Amiga Inc, no?

Yes I have. Especially Bill Buck with his crap.
They don't have a product at the moment. They sold a Pegasos 1 and you'll also have to wait severall more months to get a Peg2.

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So where is the demo? Not worth organising?

Don't underestimate the effort required to organize such a thing.

Also, as I said some time ago, you only ever get one chance to make a first impression. Maybe we're paranoid about that one, but I'd rather wait a bit longer and have a convinving demo than rush it and blow the chance.

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Also, as I said some time ago, you only ever get one chance to make a first impression. Maybe we're paranoid about that one, but I'd rather wait a bit longer and have a convinving demo than rush it and blow the chance.

Okay, fair point. Maybe somehow i thought that OS4 was closer to completion than it really is. Or you have decided not to demo it until it is finished (or nearly finished).

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Okay, fair point. Maybe somehow i thought that OS4 was closer to completion than it really is. Or you have decided not to demo it until it is finished (or nearly finished).

OK my 2TRL (Turkish Lira) worth.........................

For it to be openly shown (even in Beta form), with the way that every atom within the Amiga environment is split and examined, Hyperion would be mad if they allowed anything other than the finished product to be seen by us the public.
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you only ever get one chance to make a first impression

Any paranoia by Hyperion is, IMHO, fully justified, given the passion/fanaticism shown by both the Amiga and the Genesi followers. Direct comparisons will be made and if OS4 is anything less than 100%, more will be made of any shortcomings (however minor), than all of the updated/improved parts put together.
Hyperion are no mugs; they are more than fully aware of the state of what proports to be a 'community' (bear in mind that they all have been persecuted at one time or another by zealots claiming to be knowledgeable), so releasing it 'when it's ready' might seem a tough call, but to anyone who _really_ would like OS4 to see the light of day, the wait should be worth it.

-john