@deadwood 

I see your point, but don't understand the comparison with SFS. Against FFS or something else?

Also, there is that USB stack for A500 users, but I guess that is a smaller market.

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Because, an OS4 developer, IIRC Rene W.Olsen, is already working on official OS4 drivers for us. To me it would be like a stab in the back if after all that work someone compiles an alternate open source (but payed out) variant of the software.

You probably miss the point: Poseidon will be open-sourced with the APL, and this means that Rene W. Olsen or whoever is working on the official (oh my God! I HATE this word, Amigans seem to be attracted by "official things" like average guys from top models) driver will have two choices:

- speed up his development and finally release his work
- just take Poseidon, adapt it to his necessities and re-release it as part of OS4

Then you can decide what to do by yourself: sticking to 1.1 speeds until Hyperion releases the 2.0 driver, or just installing a compiled version of Poseidon for OS4 and access your files 10x faster. It's up to you.

@Hypex

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Because, an OS4 developer, IIRC Rene W.Olsen, is already working on official OS4 drivers for us. To me it would be like a stab in the back if after all that work someone compiles an alternate open source (but payed out) variant of the software.

IMHO he had enough time to develop an USB 2.0 driver and drivers for everything Poseidon supports, but he didn't. I can't believe os4 users prefer to use a primitive and uncomplete stack just because "it's the official thing" and to avoid hurting a developer ego. When you are at real work other coders can change your code and sometimes after some years a complete redesign is done and your code may be removed completely even if it worked more or less ok.

In this case Poseidon brings tons of drivers that wouldn't be writen for Sirion even if os4 team had 10 years more of time

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The other thing is, integrating it into the system. The entire OS4 USB subystem has to pulled off the disk. And with different system librarys and drivers I doubt the OS4 USB utility software could be used.

You can use Trident, that is vastly superior to the little OS4.x USB gui. That little USB preferences could be written in less than a day by any of the os4 coders used to create guis for different programs. Even a Trident-Reaction GUI could be written if you were a reaction taliban.

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One silly thing I found out, is that the Thylacine USB card is not supported by OS4. That is silly because OS4 has the same Sirion stack as included with that card!

Poseidon supports Thylacine.

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@Hypex

Why is so much stuff in the Amiga community seen as some kind of turf war? USB 2.0 was released 9 years ago - how long do you intend waiting for an 'official' stack?

A standardised USB stack for all Amiga-like systems would be a briliant thing. I hope that Hyperion and Olsen see the potential themselves and put all their efforts into Poseidon. By pulling together in this way, we might see USB 3.0 on the Amiga in our lifetimes.

Chris

@Hypex

As an OS4 user with both a classic amiga with a BlizzardPPC and a subway USB card as well as a sam440 and a copy of OS4.1 I am hoping to see a port of Poseidon to OS4 for use with my classic when its open sourced not my sam440ep.

I know I can already use the 68k version that came with my subway but it would be nice to have a native version of the software.

From the playing around I have done the supplied USB stack with OS4.1 I am not sure the problems I have seen with my USB mp3 payer and usb stick are all down to the usb stack, as USB support seems to be more reliable on my system with SFS formatted USB sticks. So I don't think replacing the USb stack will fix all my crashes when trying to copy files on or off my fat32 formatted mp3 player.

Thats not to say that the USB stack is perfect just that I dont think replacing it will magically make all my problems with USB fat formatted devices vanish.

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@Dwyloc

use fat95 instead of crossdos as fat32 support is broken on OS4

It would be a good idea to ask Joerg Strohmayer about adding TD64 support to OS4 public drivers too (he can also support Heinz's NSD)

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hello,

Yes FAT32 on AOS4.1 don't work for some reason and one of them is when copying on FAT32 hardware files from AOS4 with more than one point on their name. It's apparently a CrossDOSfilesystem.

AOS4.1 users need urgently a Patch from hyperion about new USB and CrossDOSfylesystem !!!!

BTW, how removing crossDOS on AOS4.1 and use FAT95 ????

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BTW, what you have done for the amiga today ????

-A1200+Mediator+VooDoo3+060/50+96mo+SCSI-KIT
-SAM440EP-667mhz-on MapowerKC3000+AOS4.1

Amiga Docs Disks Preservation Project

Hey, at the same address as before you can find a NEW build from today's system files! Please grab it and follow instructions on the same page to test Poseidon and help us fixing the last bugs.

first time ever on Icaros! on a Dell C840 notebook, installed on a separated HD

Some troubles looking for the right network device (etherlink3.device)

i'll try soon the latest USB builds.

Congratulations to All involved!

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@Crumb
Sadly as my mp3 players both have larger disks than 4GB I dont think fat95 without td64 will help me much.

@All
But as I have just finished backing up my 4GB sfs formatted CF card from my A1200 using a usb card reader and my A1200s 80GB IDE with about 8GBs of real data using a USB disk adapter I would say the OS4.1 used stack is OK.

Having a second USB stack to chose from would still be nice as well, so I will test USB under AROS on my pc's as well and report any problems I find.

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It would be a good idea to ask Joerg Strohmayer about adding TD64 support to OS4 public drivers too (he can also support Heinz's NSD)

Last time I checked it already did this.

I can mount my Linux partition with ExtFS and don't need to patch it.

Except for some reason my latest DOSDriver doesn't mount properly. AmigaDOS says the device is not there but Mount says it's already mounted! Then I have unmount it and remount it. This is a lot of work., Be good if Mounter could just mount Linux partitions instead of needing to save a mount list and hacking a 68k filesystem into it!

@Crumb

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IMHO he had enough time to develop an USB 2.0 driver and drivers for everything Poseidon supports, but he didn't.

I suppose he did. If these developers had a full time job getting payed to do this it would be here sooner.

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In this case Poseidon brings tons of drivers that wouldn't be writen for Sirion even if os4 team had 10 years more of time

What sort of drivers that OS4 doesn't have?

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You can use Trident, that is vastly superior to the little OS4.x USB gui.

Why do we need a GUI anyway? Apart from looking at the device list.

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That little USB preferences could be written in less than a day by any of the os4 coders used to create guis for different programs. Even a Trident-Reaction GUI could be written if you were a reaction taliban.

That's funny.

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Poseidon supports Thylacine.

Extta point there.

@clebin

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Why is so much stuff in the Amiga community seen as some kind of turf war? USB 2.0 was released 9 years ago - how long do you intend waiting for an 'official' stack?

Given the A1 should have USB2.0 on board I am sick of USB problems! And not being able to trust CrossDOS again.

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A standardised USB stack for all Amiga-like systems would be a briliant thing. I hope that Hyperion and Olsen see the potential themselves and put all their efforts into Poseidon. By pulling together in this way, we might see USB 3.0 on the Amiga in our lifetimes.

USB3! Is it on a card yet?

I'm sure they do. Well since they probably don't have to pay as much for it.

@Dwyloc

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As an OS4 user with both a classic amiga with a BlizzardPPC and a subway USB card as well as a sam440 and a copy of OS4.1 I am hoping to see a port of Poseidon to OS4 for use with my classic when its open sourced not my sam440ep.

Why not the Sam440?

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From the playing around I have done the supplied USB stack with OS4.1 I am not sure the problems I have seen with my USB mp3 payer and usb stick are all down to the usb stack, as USB support seems to be more reliable on my system with SFS formatted USB sticks. So I don't think replacing the USb stack will fix all my crashes when trying to copy files on or off my fat32 formatted mp3 player.

No. I would agree Amiga filesystems are more stable.

@Mrodf

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BTW, how removing crossDOS on AOS4.1 and use FAT95 ????

Oh no!

Replacing native code with old 68k stuff. Fat95 sounds 14 years old! :

Are things this bad? I thought it was bad when I repaced my new native Shell with KingCON!

@Hypex
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Why not the Sam440?

I am not against being able to use it on my sam440 or any other OS4.x compatible system its always nice to have more than one option, I just don't feel the need to replace something that generally works if its PPC native already.

If Poseidon allows me to get additional USB hardware working with my sam440 I may give it a try, in fact I donated to the bounty to get it open sourced and ported to AROS.

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Why do we need a GUI anyway? Apart from looking at the device list.

GUI is highly useful for configuring HID devices, as you can see current values reported in the window etc. Also I'd say configuring whatever actions are done when user presses button or anything is way easier with GUI (sure, it could be done by editing config files aswell...)

No idea about Sirius, never used it, just wanted to say that Poseidon GUI is rather nice, and not just "useless eyecandy"