@cecilia

People claiming that they are still owned is one thing (some true and admitted by BBRV, other atleast questionable), having several verdicts against you is another.

The 1st means that you are in debt and the target of childish revenge-actions, but you still can continue with buisness.

The 2nd means that ALL income has to go to compensate those verdicts 1st, you are not allowed to pay anybody else, heck you can't even fill up the coke-vending machine at the office (well o.k. that was a cheap pun ).

There is offcourse a way out of this (apart from doing the obvious), putting the company under bancrupsy-rules (Chapter 7,9 or whatever is right for a company like AInc). This would give them a chance to set up a plan that pays the debts AND keeps the company going. Offcourse only if there are enough assets and income to keep it going, and if the external controllers don't find anything nasty.

But aslong as AInc/KMOS doesn't pay, and doesn't file, they are gonna go nowhere.

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@ Kronos

Please don't forget you are not a lawyer.

But let's say you are correct, even then there's no reason why the mother company (KMOS) or indeed anyone else, myself or you included, could not pay people to get work done.

Don't need to be a lawyer to understand what "final verdict" means.

And sure, you could pay someone, even Garry (aka KMOS) could do that, only problem is that KMOS has taken all liabilties from AInc, and hiding assets (and you have to have some in order to pay someone) isn't a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of being caught or not.

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@ Kronos

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Don't need to be a lawyer to understand what "final verdict" means.

Not only that, but you need to know the country's legal system or even state laws to make such judgements. Therefor it may be better to refrain from making any such judgements. If legal issues regard myself I only speak through my lawyers.

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People claiming that they are still owned is one thing (some true and admitted by BBRV, other atleast questionable), having several verdicts against you is another.

I don't give a rats behind about so-called "legal" issues. only people trying to escape their guilt hide behind such nonsense.

If a person has promissed something and lies and plays fast and loose with people lives then they are unethical and immoral. no matter WHO is doing it.

and THAT has always been my point.

everything else is just alot of BS.

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please Ignore the sad kronos,

The desperate acts of a spoiled child who sufers from dementia.

His unrelenting pathos drives him to the very brink of sanity and causes him to lash out at all who are happy.

Please take pity on the poor child. His false gods have abandoned him.

After all it is Christmas.

May peace and happyness greet all this coming year.

Kgrach

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@Rogue

And to take it a step further, Inforgrams was formerly Hasbro Games, or a division of IIRC The ATARI name branding has only begun... look to the future for more than games..

@ Cecilia

I have noticed that your feelings for the "other parties" has skewed your opinions of the amiga/computer market. Shady business practices are unfortunately par for the course with corporations in this country... same with the "other parties" that are the title of the thread. All the comments you made about Genesi lying to people and not paying and such can be applied to "Amiga inc" as well..


Also, I'm sorry but in the IT and Computer business world Silence is NOT Golden. And i'm not talking about posting on Amiga sites, I'm talking exposure to the industry and marketplace where companies need a STRONG internet presence.


@Kgrach

*groan*
i hope that post is a joke??

@MikeB

Those posts are extremely delusional. Ainc is most certainly NOT active.
Though I do appreciate the happy holiday comment, this does not mean that the company is doing anything..

Of course this is IMHO

realize

Happy New Year to all and I really hope that we can all get past the hooplah and appraise things in rational ways and not take sides. Each issue should be looked at with an open mind.

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@cecilia

Did I ever say anything else ?

For example Genesi still owns something to Dale Rahn, they admit that, and last that I heard was that both sides are still talking to each other.

Same may be true for others but some of the stories by some other people are really really thin, and I'm not so sure if all of them really have a valid claim.

None of that changes that Genesi can still conduct buisness in anormal way.

(also @Mike)

Read those verdicts on Matt and Bolton's cases, on the unpaid health insurance and back-taxes.

They are all quite clear, verdicts are beyond apeal (some cos AInc "defaulted" others because time ran out), and all are "to be payed immediably".

AInc paid none of them, and the only way they can do that in a legal way is by claiming that they don't have any money. Spending money on anything else would counterproove that, and AInc would have done something illegal.

Moral is and was in short supply on both sides, but it's quite funny that someone who will nitpick endlessy over minor ethic details when blue-Bill is involved still sees no problem when red-Bill and gang use shaddy tactics to bypass court-rulings (and negleting people their hard-earned money).

 @Kurt
Still as funny, clueless and ##### as on A.org.... good to see that some things never change

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Kronos

I highly doubt that Dale R is talking to genesi. Lets say his hatred is probably tangible at this point... i'm sure it goes that way for Genesi to him as well.

Good point about Blue Bill/Red Bill..



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@! Kronos & others

So warming to see that vivid MorphOS advocates and Pegasos dealers still care so much about Amiga incorporated!

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Those posts are extremely delusional. Ainc is most certainly NOT active.

He who laughs last, laughs best.

If you really care about those ex-employees from some years ago, surely you understand that having an active and prosperous company is in their best interest? If so, I do expect you to cheer from joy when this day happens. At least if your concerns are truly genuine.

MikeB

Once again I will point out you are confused..

I am an AMIGA DEALER and Amiga-like computer dealer - i.e. Amiga 1, Pegasos, Shark, Dragon, whatever that is not a classic Amiga as well.

I was officially licensed by Amiga Inc from 1997-200 as well FYI.

I always want AMIGA to do well- i've devoted over 10 years of my life to it. Thats why I take time to post on this site.

Helloooo????


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@ realize

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I am an AMIGA DEALER and Amiga-like computer dealer - i.e. Amiga 1, Pegasos, Shark, Dragon, whatever that is not a classic Amiga as well.

Currently you are not an AmigaOne dealer.

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I was officially licensed by Amiga Inc from 1997-200 as well FYI.I was officially licensed by Amiga Inc from 1997-200 as well FYI.

Very good, some Peg/MOS advocates do not value validation or licensing schemes.

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I always want AMIGA to do well-

Very well, so I expect you to be in the frontline for congratulating Amiga Inc when it's public that they are back in business.

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Thats why I take time to post on this site.

Re-reading your posting history, IMO you were mainly here to advocate people into buying rival Pegasos hardware instead.

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Moral is and was in short supply on both sides, but it's quite funny that someone who will nitpick endlessy over minor ethic details when blue-Bill is involved still sees no problem when red-Bill and gang use shaddy tactics to bypass court-rulings (and negleting people their hard-earned money).

don't you DARE lump me in with this stupid red-blue war.
You will never find ONE public post or private comment by ME that supported Amiga Inc ripping off anyone.
EVER

I was never part of your idiotic "war" and i won't be sucked in to this C.R.A.P. now.

I only mention BBRV because of their HYPOCRISY on this very issue.
When it was good PR they made a big show of bringing Amiga Inc to court for not paying an employee, but a year later they do the same thing to their own employees.
yeah, i'm SO impressed with their sense of morality.

NOT!

and before anyone worries about my emotional state, I spend my time creatively, not distructively. unlike others. so I am perfectly fine. i'm just not afraid to state the truth.

as my 6th grade teacher used to say, "Tell the truth and Shame the Devil!"

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