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It seems fairly clear that Amiga Inc want complete control of OS4, which means that if Hyperion took the payoff, that would be the end of their involvement with OS4, and I don't think Amiga Inc has offered them enough money yet to cover all their development expenses.

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i also ponder about if Amiga win / buy back OS4 and bring out all these things they talk about, how many people will suddenly go very quiet, instead of the noise being generated now.

If Amiga Inc were to release an updated version of OS4 running on a dual core G5, I believe that most of us here would be too busy using it instead of complaining about a lack of hardware (there are of course those who will complain that it's too expensive / not powerful enough / doesn't cook breakfast, but a minority will always do that anyway)

you are correct. the only way for Amiga to have control over the full OS4 is to pay monies to Hyperion (as to how much only a few people know), and Hyperion accepting it. if it goes through the courts Amiga either lose, or the OS they get has loads of holes where they dont get various parts, due to the developers kepping their rights to them.

with all these comments going about today, its amazing how Amiga is responsible for so much even though they havnt had access to the OS ever, and have been trying to get it back for 4 years now (in one shape or form).

i have never been surprised at the lack of new hardware, as i have always felt Amiga never wanted to give Hyperion extra revenue, while the OS was unable to be bought back.

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My last point concerns a recent post about another company making offers for Amiga. This is categorically false. A bona fide offer was never received. Amiga received a letter that asked for our financials. In the phone conversation that followed, we explained to the contact at the other company our current valuation based on the last round of funding we had completed, and then gave them the current valuation on the round that is in the process of closing, and we were told that there was no way they could even get close to those numbers.

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I wonder how Amiga Inc defines "a bona fide offer."

DiscreetFX was in the IRC a few days ago, the weekend of that big show in France or Italy or wherever. He stated that he and some investors had gone to Amiga Inc, made what they believed to be a reasonable offer (he didn't elaborate what amount) and Amiga Inc basically just brushed them off saying, in effect, offer them real money and Amiga Inc will take them seriously, but until then, buzz off.

He said he wasn't at liberty to tell the amounts involved, though. He then said something like, Picture the largest, most ridiculously high amount you could ever possibly imagine, now go even higher. That is the amount Amiga Inc think they're worth. He then went on to mention that Be Inc (of BeOS and BeBox \fame) had expected $400 million dollars in a buyout from Apple, but when that didn't happen, had to settle for $18 million (or some figure like that) from Palm Pilot.

My guess is, by "a bona fide offer," Amiga Inc is saying, "Nobody has offered us the $xxx million we're asking. Until someone offers us $500 million to $1 billion, they aren't being serious and are simply ankle biters, and we won't even give them the time of day."

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hello all. I read the letter and I must comment:

bla bla bla.



I've been coming here every single f67king night for the past 10 years to once open up a page and see an annoucement of a new product.

10 years... 10 years.... OK? and instead I get to read long letters that don't say anything.

slap an amiga os on any small efficient board such as the efika and have it ready to fly off the shelves on holidays 2007. you get free advert too. The market needs a small, quiet, fast, m$ free mini computer like that! there is money, serious money to be made for crying out loud.

If I run my biz like you guys do, I'd be long out of biz by now.

But... nothing has really changed, so I'll just keep on coming here every night....
good nite kids.

A company can state that they don't have to keep us posted on progress made for things they have announced (It's done when it's done!). But when you have deals that fall apart, or partners that say good riddance, They absolutely should post that right away, because not doing so is fraudulent. I don't want to wait years, months, or even weeks to find out that there's nothing to wait for. If they have AA2 in the pipe, let's talk about it. No more of this teasing.

A company's "moment of truth" with their client is the first impression. If I had paid attention to my first impression of the grand plans for the Amiga, I could have labeled AI as a snake oil salesman. emphasis on the snake.

NDA's are ok with me, but SDK's should be free for download, not paid for, to start with. If AmigaOS were developed for Intel, we could have it running on cheap, readily available hardware, as well as having the option of dual-booting on Linux, Windows, and Mac systems. But noo..

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-= Northern Light Videography =-

AI must be annoyed at all the recent activity regarding real, tangible, and available software and hardware - so much so, that they feel the need to lash out in a pitiful attempt to make it look like they're actually doing something productive.

Yes, the party's going on without them, but they want to try and gatecrash it like some verminous, boorish yob.

With AI's track record, SEEING is believing. Just don't hold your breath!

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I have been coming here for years, and almost never post either. But I have to tell you my patience is running out. I know OS 4 is done, I know that the SAM 440 is available for sale and I know about the lawsuit.

I also know that Amiga Inc barely communicates with us, and when they do it appears that the over-inflate their abilities. The Kent stadium issue, the vouchers, the T-Shirts were all small things that any reasonably competent company should have been able to deliver.

I've owned a bunch of Amigas and would love to own a new one that had a reasonably modern operating system, had a decent browser and could with some effort occasionally play the classic games from the old days.

I know that to do this I will pay more for the computer and OS than what the market says it deserves, compared to price/performance specs of a Mac or PC. ...that I am willing to be taken advantage of this way shows the love I had for the old systems. Fortunately I am in a financial place that I can take a decent sized "hit" on an Amiga purchase.

However, while I am willing to overpay, and to wait all these long years, I am not willing to be bullsh*tt*d ad nauseum. Bill's letter does not provide specific answers to the community, and is just a marketing piece...a piece very similar to the Kent announcement in tone and content...and we know how that turned out.

So Bill, if you are seriously trying to get a true Amiga out by Christmas, time is running out. Some of the community is perhaps willing to give you one more chance, others (many) have already given up on you personally and the company. I would suggest that you do the following:

Please meet (IRC, in person, teleconference, videoconference) this month with the Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net sysops (showing my age here :) ) or anyone else you think represents the community, and let them do an extensive interview with specific questions and specific answers. If you drift into marketing answers again (as with this letter) you will only turn off more potential customers and frankly...they are getting fewer each day. Open up and really communicate, and the community may start to turn around. I truly hope you are capable of this because what I am suggesting is an attitude sea-change.

The key thing I'd like you to be aware of is that right now Amiga Inc.'s key product is not AA2, or DE or cell phone games. Your top product is credibility. Let's market some of that ASAP and get that product on the shelves...because right now your shelf is bare...

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I have been coming here for years, and almost never post either. But I have to tell you my patience is running out. I know OS 4 is done, I know that the SAM 440 is available for sale and I know about the lawsuit.

I also know that Amiga Inc barely communicates with us, and when they do it appears that the over-inflate their abilities. The Kent stadium issue, the vouchers, the T-Shirts were all small things that any reasonably competent company should have been able to deliver.

I've owned a bunch of Amigas and would love to own a new one that had a reasonably modern operating system, had a decent browser and could with some effort occasionally play the classic games from the old days.

I know that to do this I will pay more for the computer and OS than what the market says it deserves, compared to price/performance specs of a Mac or PC. ...that I am willing to be taken advantage of this way shows the love I had for the old systems. Fortunately I am in a financial place that I can take a decent sized "hit" on an Amiga purchase.

However, while I am willing to overpay, and to wait all these long years, I am not willing to be bullsh*tt*d ad nauseum. Bill's letter does not provide specific answers to the community, and is just a marketing piece...a piece very similar to the Kent announcement in tone and content...and we know how that turned out.

So Bill, if you are seriously trying to get a true Amiga out by Christmas, time is running out. Some of the community is perhaps willing to give you one more chance, others (many) have already given up on you personally and the company. I would suggest that you do the following:

Please meet (IRC, in person, teleconference, videoconference) this month with the Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net sysops (showing my age here :) ) or anyone else you think represents the community, and let them do an extensive interview with specific questions and specific answers. If you drift into marketing answers again (as with this letter) you will only turn off more potential customers and frankly...they are getting fewer each day. Open up and really communicate, and the community may start to turn around. I truly hope you are capable of this because what I am suggesting is an attitude sea-change.

The key thing I'd like you to be aware of is that right now Amiga Inc.'s key product is not AA2, or DE or cell phone games. Your top product is credibility. Let's market some of that ASAP and get that product on the shelves...because right now your shelf is bare...

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Bill,

This is typical of you. Look back at the past- the number of 'motivating letters' or statements to the community, then inevitably followed up by...NOTHING. The coupon scam? Two More Weeks/On schedule and rockin'? AmiWest anyone? OS5? G5 hardware? ANY hardware? Kent Center? Followups to basically any statement ever made?
*poof*

You've long ago established a recognizeable trend along these lines, not unlike your 'partner,' ACK Controls. It will take far more than a few words, followed by the inevitable disappearance without showing anything to back up those words, before many people will put much faith in 'Amiga Inc' to any extent whatsoever.

I have no doubt some attempt to reconcile with Hyperion has been made; however, I am equally certain that the comments in this letter aren't exactly the whole story, by any means.

If you truly wish to have any faith put into AI, you'd be better served by actually backing up your statements rather than in pointing fingers yourself.

But, as history has shown, few of us expect to see that actually happen. Feel free to prove us all wrong, but excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

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Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

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as been told many-many times before, porting to x86 means losing backward compatibility,

Like the breaking compatability with the MP future envisioned by Rogue? Of course there is the "sandbox" emulation.

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and technicaly is a very huge task (endian issues, etc...). besides amigaos on x86 should become just another second, or third os installed on a windows pc, and the majority will use win instead of aos.

If AOS is so inferior why bother in the first place as it is not cheap (see below)?

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btw, i dont want to use a big, noisy pc to run aos, i prefer a nice, silent, passively cooled box for that pleasure:)

I personaly want to use big, fast, up to date, easy to repair,and above all else cheap hardware as opposed to expensive, hard to get repaired, obsolete before release, and again very expensive hardware. The time wasted in all this mess could have already had OS4 running on x86. PPC is a dying platform so I guess it makes perfect sence to keep AOS tied to it.

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New hardware is being developed and ready to be developed in quantities!!!!

Yeah, right.

If that's true then you know it is working and have some sort of Linux running on it. So show it to us at Amiwest or another Amiga show. If not then just go away with your pitiful lies.

Amiga Inc isn't a company. It doesn't have employees. It's nothing more than a tax tool for some rich asshole.

Amiga Anywhere.......huh...... better call it Amiga Nowhere. You have nothing.

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If OS4 was released, then we'd be on to the next step, examining OS4 as a viable platform.

Far better platforms have gone under.

OS4 is crap as a cell phone platform, and the whole point of it being tied up is really distracting people from the fact that it is garbage anyway.

Like the man said, give us an OS 4 cellphone, and we'll put it through its paces.

In recent years I've been producing software again...I could port some of it to Amiga, just because I'm an old fan...not for the nearly non-existent market, of course...but there is zero reason, zero.

wake me up when there is real news... really I remember when I advised Amiga to be more verbose, but my advice now is the opposite...no one cares anymore about another round of mcSpewin... either put up or shut up.

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Amiga Inc basically just brushed them off saying, in effect, offer them real money and Amiga Inc will take them seriously, but until then, buzz off.

The AmigaOS user base is nanoscopic. DE isn't that big of a deal. And the name makes almost everyone alive either laugh or give you an empty stare of ignorance. Sorry dudes, but Amiga Inc. simply is not worth "real money". I'd value it less than what you paid Gateway for it. Even if they win the lawsuit and can actually say they own OS4.

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Personally I would like to see an open letter from Hyperion to the community to get their take on the situation.

I wonder if Bill is going to know that not one of these posts is positive in reaction to his letter.

It's possible that the letter was sent out to probe community opinion of them (after all, they used to be reasonably popular about 3 years ago) - send it out, then wait a few days and get someone to take a peek at the responses. If they haven't been keeping up, they're probably quite surprised. I bet that the average response in this thread, three years ago, would have resulted in a huge flamewar and a couple of timeouts. Now it's just general agreement. Heck, even at amigans.net they aren't getting any sympathy. Things *have* changed quite a bit, haven't they.

Well, as someone above wrote, I'm not interested in soap operas; I don't care if they haven't delivered in the past, if Amiga works things out with the other irresponsible parties and we shown something, that's great. If not, I won't be surprised.

The coupon scam--oh so long ago--was transparently a scam to keep the company from going under. I recognized that immediately, and I will never understand how so many people were fooled by it. On the other hand, Amiga hasn't been in a position to deliver anything of late, and they obviously took many risks that didn't pan out. Amiga Inc. is probably as distrustful of its partners as we are of it.

Thus, I welcome Bill's latest letter, as, along with some bragging, there is also some honest reflection that comes through. It was brave of him to put it out, as I didn't expect to hear anything until after Xmas.