Last Amiga I used was an A4000T ten years ago... If this thing will be for real I will surely buy one and will be back to amigaland again! I'm really excited!! java script:%20justReturn()

@ Slash

I promised myself I wouldn't get into all this again but...

I find it amusing how you chose a news item of one of the most affordable Amiga machines ever spoken of that even includes a built in screen for Amiga sake, to make a point about how OS4 should be ported to x86 because this is still too expensive, then use an exclusive overpriced laptop as your example hardware! LOL

However, what would you do with an OS4 port on x86? All you could do is run programs on the Workbench and whatever PD software was ported. Nothing else would run and BTW what makes you think it's all coded in C? I'm sure you'd enjoy trying to use all the Workbench software only to find out what doesn't work because the 68K software still used in the OS didn't have a C version.

And, what's with this point always made about a fraction of the PC market being bigger than the Amiga market? Well which PC market? The PC market that knows what an Amiga is and still has a some interest in it? Well that's a lot smaller than a fraction of the PC market and not much bigger than the current Amiga market, which would be a logical section of the market that would be interested. Well, so what?

Even so, what ever size of the market, those people would be used to a commercial OS where pretty much everything you throw at it just works. So why would they bother with what would be by comparison a novelty OS where it has a limited Workbench, little software support, no real Amiga 68K program support, limited web browsing and can be a pain in the #### to install software where you're lucky to get a GUI!?

Pretty soon there would be questions like why doesn't it just use MUI? Why isn't 3d supported? Why can't I simply view Word docs out of the box? Etc. If there isn't one complaint there will always be another in its place.

But all this is is moot. Why bother asking why AmigaOS4 isn't this, that and the other when AROS can do everything you want in this x86 regard? Why do you open this discussion? I mean, c'mon, really, why don't you keep it shut and just buy into AROS?

And since we are talking about a portable device here. It's an open and shut case.

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sorry to inform you, the logical path would be to port it to ARM one day in the future, as ARM is taking over, Give it years and ARM will replace intel / x86 archtiecture potentially like x86 did to PPC at the time of its era.

Seeing Android first ported to ARM, as well as Win8 planned to have ARM port this is quite true, even ARM is much less powerful then x86. Byt is cheap and enough for portable devices. Even PPC SOCs could stand a chance there if they had Android and current Linux.

Yes, going ARM would be great, but at the current state of affairs OS4 nettop is
great step forward to what kids use nowadays

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I officially announced the netbook at AmiWest on Saturday night. My information came directly from Ben Hermans. The precise details are subject to change.

It is an OEM netbook.

It boots into Workbench.

The precise configuration is not known yet so when we know it will be posted.

Do not panic.

The rumour mill is not churning... sheesh.

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An AmigaOS netbook would be very cool, but, if the price is higher than the price of an iPad then you will only sell to Amiga fans. However, if the price is lower, preferably in the average netbook pricing in the shops then this could be a great move for AmigaOS in the outside world.

So basically, Hyperion MUST half the price of a license to get this off the ground or it will be limited to just Amiga fans.

Anyway, if it is in this price range, I will definitely get one to go with my X1000 when I get it.

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@ssolie

Tell Ben to get the details out ASAP.
I've understood it's a 400Mhz PPC with 512M of RAM, so, it does compete with any other available AOS4 HW. But some might have false hopes...

Also the name of the OEM would be nice to hear. Any estimate?
I would rally around this http://www.linkbook.co.za/ to make my bets...
& tryterra.com + http://stores.ebay.com/TryTerra-Computers (there's some mentions also about three core PPC with 1700MIPS, but that can not be it...)

And I hope this will open opportunities to get more cheap PPC HW for AOS4...
http://www.limepc.com./index.shtml
Like LimePC X1 (modern small Amiga that is put into smaller than macmini case)

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@Shufflepuck:

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Battery: Lithium-iron, 3400mAh

Oh, the sheer irony of this! Let's iron it out immediately: you probably meant 'Lithium-ion', didn't you? Early-morning nitpicking...

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@ssolie

Excellent, blame Canada

@clusteruk

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So basically, Hyperion MUST half the price of a license to get this off the ground or it will be limited to just Amiga fans. Anyway, if it is in this price range, I will definitely get one to go with my X1000 when I get it.

Hyperion would decide, but then again, if it sells it might be most revenue generating version of AmigaOS 4

This kind of "union" with OEM PPC manufacturers is a great way to go!

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netbook is rumoured to be around the $300 and $500 USD

Blimey. If that's true than count me right in!

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Why oh why does this have to turn into Yet Another x86 Thread? I'm only replying (once!) since no-one has yet stated the obvious.

@TheSlash
AmigaOS4 can (probably) be easily ported to x86 (or ARM for that matter)... but it won't run any of the existing PPC apps, and quite possibly none of the 68k apps either (certainly no Petunia JIT). I think a PPC JIT layer would be possible (albeit VERY expensive), but then there is the endian question - some reasonably claim this makes compatibility impossible (and although I personally disagree, it would certainly not be easy).

Plus you'd risk alienating the entire existing user + developer base of OS4, who are already invested in PPC hardware (on which any new x86/ARM apps would not run). FAT binaries could be a solution, but doubling the compilation time & doubling the executable size might not be acceptable by Amigans used to efficiency (especially PPC developers).

Very few apps + very few users + very few developers = dead at birth = probably fail. So AmigaOS4 is stuck with PPC, for better or worse. If you have a time machine, and can go back to 2001 or earlier, and get Amiga Inc to pick x86 instead of PPC, then we might be in a different situation today...

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@ clusteruk

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or it will be limited to just Amiga fans.

Perhaps I've missed something, but, isn't that the point?

To give finally give Amiga fans an Amiga laptop? Or at least the closest too.

I don't see any other reason to put AmigaOS on a portable device. What interest would the outside world have? Perhaps a tablet would be interesting but people would wonder what this funny software is on it.

@ OldFart:

I also though it was a typo or a joke, but It really says Lithium-iron phosphate battery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery
http://www.limepc.com/infoTech.shtml (look under LimePC Z9)

About the possible CPU, on this site by LimePC Multimedia Technologies: http://www.limefree.org/

They have 4 Power Architecture products.

The TWR-MPC5125, TWR-MPC5121, and TWR-MPC5121-Core: all three have a Freescale mpc5125 e300c4 core, 400 MHz and 760 MIPS performance.

Then there's the TWR-MPC5121-MID, sporting a Freescale MPC5121e 400MHz CPU with additional Audio/DSP and OpenGL/VG graphics acceleration.

Should be this last one?

This is great news. I suspect a lot of Amiga fans (& Windows users) already own a laptop but not so many own a netbook. As they are smaller, your more likely to take them out when you don't really need to, so more of the general public are likely to get to see AmigaOS

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@thread

How short is the memory of the community. Doesn't anyone remember the press release by Acube around a year before the announcement of the SAM460? Acube was working on a netbook project named "Netstore." Perhaps it evolved into the SAM460? Perhaps it was a different project?

Source:
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=55

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@Shufflepuck

Z9 is close to expected specs, only with a small display

8.9" TFT
FreeScale PowerPC 800Mhz
Up to 512MB DDRII
4-30 GB HDD
Wi-Fi
Li-IRON battery
2x USB 2.0
Card reader
2Mpix webcam
VGA Out
Bluetooth

Android 1.5 (didn`t know Android was ported to PPC)

Oh, it COULD be a dual boot OS4 / Android sys

Maybe a menu with robot bouncing Boing Ball

However, who knows what Lime will do in 2012

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@ChrisH

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Why oh why does this have to turn into Yet Another x86 Thread?

Because Chris, trolls are afoot.

Given it happened here describing an affordable Amiga device and not in any latest X10000 thread I have noticed it's the only logical conclusion I come too.

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I'm only replying (once!) since no-one has yet stated the obvious.

I thought I did state was the obvious. I just didn't get into the usual details. You know what I promised myself...

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@pavlor

FYI 5121e lacks cache coherency like ArticiaS (and unlike 5200B) so I wouldn't expect more performance from it...

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@PhantomInterrogative

Is there any more info regarding this?

According to that press release NetStore was a NAS running Linux on a PPC SoC. Apart from the SoC what has the NetStore got in common with an Amiga NetBook?

So, in fact, my memory wasn;t short and I remember that. I just don't remember it having to do with the first Amiga laptop or anything to do with AmigaOS4 in general.

Perhaps it was a different project? Perhaps you are right.

@clusteruk
We need some killer apps, memory protection and so on before we can think about even trying to get non amigans to buy our systems.
Or something else that does not exist or can be done on competing platforms.
I think lower price might bring in some ex amigans though or people that were on the fence before.

Acube's Netstore was supposed to be a Network-attached storage, and not a netbook.

Cheers,
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