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Software News   Software News : Sputnik Beta available
   posted by Valwit on 11-Nov-2006 19:43:12 (11211 reads)
First beta of Sputnik, a WWW-Browser with CSS, is now available for MorphOS! You can find it at the project page.
    

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hatschi 
Re: Sputnik Beta available
Posted on 12-Nov-2006 21:02:50
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Browser info (note the "OS platform" )

That needs fixing, as does the User-Agent string.


Well, it's not really a "bug", since Sputnik is based on an open source browser by Nokia for S60 devices.

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Anyway, one of these is called for:


Wouldn't this one be more appropriate?

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Re: Sputnik Beta available
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Poster: BrandonLee Date: 12-Nov-2006 20:56:49

@Raffaele

I'm sure you'll understand that it is sometimes difficult to separate the jokes from the annoying "us against them" posts.
What separates your post from a real flame is the tiny smiley and even then, some flame posts have those too. ;)

This is sorted out now.


Yes. We human sometimes were deceived from false informations or any other problem that could cause misunderstanding.

To navigate the web and reading messages which could be written with errors, or bad english, or whatever else, often it is not so natural and improves misunderstanding rather than lower it and on the opposite improving communication.

I hope that in the near future it will be launched Forums based on movies clips, so we could interpretate even the gesture, and the faces of the persons, to immediately understand what they want or what they want to communicate to us.

Last edited by Raffaele on 13-Nov-2006 at 09:53 AM.


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Re: Sputnik Beta available
Posted on 13-Nov-2006 11:55:52
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I agree with you on this, people are getting too touchy nowadays...


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Anyhow, could we please stop discussing this now and get back on to Sputnik? Thanks.


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adiaux 
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Anyhow, could we please stop discussing this now and get back on to Sputnik? Thanks.


Yes, and I am still very interested to know how it performs on PowerUP hardware? Is it sluggish or snappy? Is it usable or un-usable?

Hatchi has obviously turned off the anti-aliased fonts for speed reasons...?

(Personally I turn off anti-aliased fonts even in windows on fast x86 hardware. Looks better in my eyes, and I know that no power goes to pointless eye-candy, which feels kind of good )

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Hatchi has obviously turned off the anti-aliased fonts for speed reasons...?


Actually, I had never turned them on in the first place. Well, except when I was using the AA option in AfaOS with AOS 3.9 - and that was, unsurprisingly, rather slow on my 040.

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Yes, and I am still very interested to know how it performs on PowerUP hardware? Is it sluggish or snappy? Is it usable or un-usable?


It's too "alpha" to be used for everyday usage. Currently, I just use it for browsing websites that AWeb and IBrowse are failing to display (there are more and more of these every day!).
I see it basically as a demo of a very promising rendering engine that still needs a lot of optimization and polishing. It's not "fast" and doesn't feel "snappy" of course when being compared to IBrowse, but speed very much depends on site complexity and CSS-content. IBrowse is just a lot faster on complex websites and CSS-websites since it ignores large parts of the code (but the websites look horrible afterwards).

Of course, it will never be usable on Efika - if that's what you were aiming at.

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is first beta whit alot of bugs but for me is very usable and speed is ok... is faster than AWeb on my setUp!! And CSS based web page I can View without problem..


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Re: Sputnik Beta available
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@takemehomegrandma

I wasn't talking about the performance on PUP stuff, I'm was talking about the Efika. It's not the topic of this thread. Moreover, Bodie's post had nothing to do with that and was instead pointed at the on-going discussion about that failed joke.


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Re: Sputnik Beta available
Posted on 13-Nov-2006 22:48:04
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@AmigaPapst

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Nice, i hope a AmigaOS4 Version will coming soon.


Don't hold your breath. It'll take Marcik atleast 6 months more to take Sputnik
from alpha to release state. It has always been said that once the MOS version
is finished a port will be considered.
We could probably see a port in about 9 months at the earliest. That would
actually be a longer time than the AWeb team should need to implement the
KHTML for themselves, and they have all the cookie and cache handling done
already among other things.
Note that AWeb is totally free and compiled for all Amiga API platforms.

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Re: Sputnik Beta available
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That would actually be a longer time than the AWeb team should need to implement the KHTML for themselves


Exactly how many people do you think the AWeb-team consist of? There's Andy Broad, and then there's ... some testers, who occasionally sends a patch or two. That's it.


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adiaux 
Re: Sputnik Beta available
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@ AMiGR

I'm not discussing the Efika, nor did I think that Bodies post was about the Efika. I just mentioned the Efika as it was a background to my questions.

I was interested in how Sputnik feels on low-MHz 603 hardware. A fast browser on lean hardware is essential IMHO, since lean hardware is where Amiga's future lies. Sputnik's heritage comes from mobile devices, so I reconned it would be quite useful (*speed-wise*, I know it's an early public alpha, with lots of bugs and undeveloped features).

One view was that it is less snappy than Ibrowse, another view is that it's very fast and feels faster than Aweb.

I think that is really good!

(And of course, the speed on the Efika would be more than twice as fast and fully usable )

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Fab 
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@Samwel,

9 months is what it took them to port aweb from sas/c to gcc (where it took a single day to someone else...).

So, say 9 years, and it may be more correct. :)

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Re: Sputnik Beta available
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@Fab

Yeah, Bigfoot is a master to release stuff quickly. Just look at the Q3-release, wasn't many hours after the source was out and the stuff was up and running ;)

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