Quote:

I don't agree one bit with what you wrote there. What they offered and what A Inc demands that is his companys business not ours. There is no point in making that figure public just because we are curious. DiscreetFX want to do exactly what every one of us would like to do. To bring forth Amiga OS once and for all, and to push it forward 100%. What they ask from us is our support, if we agree then to send a message to Amiga Inc. What harm do you think that can do ? Do you loose your dignity or something? The fact that it is a news item may seem odd but I guess they really wanted our attention this time. The moderators could easily have turned it into a normal discussion thread if they wanted to. ( and I'm sure that happened before)

What they offered speaks to how viable their capability is to do something with the brand.

What Amiga said they wanted directly in comparison speaks to how realistic or not the request for our help might be.

Besides knowing about them talking about "Oil Change" for quite some time now there is little I know about their firm.

They approach us in a public forum and request something of us, to perform an action for them. They aren't asking us to implore Amiga to settle the suit, or do more with the brand, they are asking us to implore Amiga to sell the IP to them. Generally before I would agree to speak on someone's behalf I'd like to know that there is a good reason to do so.

Last edited by fairlanefastback on 25-Sep-2007 at 07:06 PM.
Last edited by fairlanefastback on 25-Sep-2007 at 07:02 PM.

_________________
Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0
Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS)
EFIKA owner
Amiga 1200

Quote:

If someone magically showed up who could do the port and wanted the $10,400 would we now tell them not to do it because it benefits KMOS/Amiga Delaware?

If I thought holding up a project would help forge progress with real development in the present and future of AOS, then yes. I would ask them not to.... for now. However I'm not that clairvoyant.

On the other hand if some one wants to finish the port and collect the cash, they'll get no grief from me in doing so. Hurray for Amizilla. Clearly in the current state of affairs, a web browser alone is not going to save AOS anyway.

Quote:

This community is constantly abused by BS by various entities. If you are going to talk the talk lets seem some walking the walk as well for once

You're preaching to the choir here brother. Amen.

If the community can decide on a single clear goal some where, I think DFX would assist. What should that goal be? Bigger bettter minimig, browser completion, MOS and/or AROS ports to SAM? Decide and I think DFX would lend aid.

Plaz

@fairlanefastback

You have to search hard to find another company more devoted to Amiga than
them. I don't think they have to prove anything to us. It would be some wierd business
if you have to win some contest first to get the our support, I don't know whom
else we require that from. A mail to AI doesn't cost any money. It might get Amiga
Inc's eyes open once and for all. (Personally I don't belive AI cares but if DFX wants
to push it anyway, then why not. We are in a legal jimbo now atleast 6 months forward.)

Here's an interview with DFX if you want to know more about them.
Link

_________________
AmigaOS or MorphOS on x86 would sell orders of magnitude more than the current,
hardware-intensive solutions. And they'd go faster.-- D.Haynie

Seems like we made osnews again...

@Plaz

Quote:

If the community can decide on a single clear goal some where, I think DFX would assist. What should that goal be? Bigger bettter minimig, browser completion, MOS and/or AROS ports to SAM? Decide and I think DFX would lend aid.

I'd like to see a Minimig 1200, with built in 68060 and PPC. Legal to build, OS 4 Classic compatible, and with AGA for running all my favourite games and demos!

All the user needs to provide is a Kickstart file.

_________________

Quote:

Seems like we made osnews again...

Of course. We are watching you.

@DiscreetFX

Quote:

DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

I think it's fairly clear to everyone here that this court case (and the ensuing appeals) are going to take at least another year to resolve, and the set of people who have the technical skills to grow the amiga is getting smaller by the day. In the meantime, the alternatives are also limping along: the Efika is between revisions, and while MorphOS and AROS are steadily progressing, development is going very slowly indeed.

We need action now, or else we risk losing everything; if I may be so bold, I would like to humbly suggest that you take the money you were going to use to buy out Amiga Inc, and use it instead to support commercial development of the minimig and AROS. You've seen people's reaction to the minimig: awesome idea, would definitely buy one, but building it is beyond my skills. That my friend is a market opportunity right there, and I daresay you are in the right place and at the right time to take advantage of it. Talk with Dennis and the AROS team, find a good small scale manufacturer, and sell people what they're asking for (an amiga computer!) You'll probably want to do a few surveys here to find out the finer details, eg whether to add a custom enclosure and keyboard with italic "A" keys (I'd gladly pay extra for those, but others may not).

Eventually the OS4 debacle may or may not get resolved, but in the meantime you'll have given the Amiga a foothold on the future, with open source hardware and an open source OS. Your burden would not be R&D - the community will take care of that, adding the features they need when they need them. All you need to do is manage the business side of things, which judging by the age of DiscreetFX it's something you're clearly good at.

As a side effect, since this is going back to the roots, I believe that this will go a long way towards getting rid of the last vestiges of infighting inside the greater Amiga community.

In short, other than the return of Commodore, I think this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Amiga right now. Please consider it.

The only thing is we would hate to step on Jen's toes and the Clone-A. To much fighting and splinting in the Amiga community already. Jen's has been kind of silent though.

_________________
Sent from my Quantum Computer.

@DiscreetFX

Quote:

Jen's has been kind of silent though.

You mean since the incident here on AW in April? or more recently?

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@CodeSmith

Quote:

In short, other than the return of Commodore, I think this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Amiga right now. Please consider it.

I totally, absolutely, 100% agree with your whole post.

@DiscreetFX

Rather than working against Jens/Individual Computers, how about forming some sort of partnership? If not the Minimig, then perhaps mass production of the Clone A?

Or even an extensible Minimig with add on cards from Individual Computers? Running existing Classic software, and providing a base for AROS 68k.

Or how about a wedge keyboarded Minimig A700, and a big box CloneA5000 with PPC!

_________________

What happened in April?

_________________
Sent from my Quantum Computer.

@DiscreetFX

Hmm, forgot about that. You could talk to Jens, see what his thoughts are. This project's aims would be served just as well by using MiniMigs or CloneA's. A partnership would be good for the project (the financial risk would be split, and there would be a corporate presence on both sides of the Atlantic), but I have no idea if he would be amenable to it.

On the minus side, going with CloneA means we lose the open source hardware (however, Jens has historically been very good about supporting his wares). On the plus side, if you go with CloneA instead of MiniMig, Dennis probably wouldn't care

@DiscreetFX

What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.
Once the court case is solved we can think about OS4 and the Amiga IP and brand. Not to mention that from an enhanced opensource AROS port to SAM, OS4 can also benefit later.

Jens has been working with Viprinet on their Multichannel VPN Router.

AROS badly needs UAE integration to be completed.

_________________
Sent from my Quantum Computer.

I have to agree completely with both gleng and codesmith.
It also does not matter for me if it is the clone-a or minimig that is the end result, as they both look like very exciting projects.
The sooner such a project is available for purchase, the better...
The best would of course be to go the offical way and get a license, so one could truly turn it into a commerical product that could be sold in stores like the commodore in a joystick. But i guess that is pretty far fetched as i doubt Amiga INC would co operate there either.. But i think they will sell good, as long as it is easy to for the users to transfer the rom image over to the device.

Quote:

AROS badly needs UAE integration to be completed.

There is an open bounty for that.

http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7

Last edited by fairlanefastback on 25-Sep-2007 at 08:43 PM.
Last edited by fairlanefastback on 25-Sep-2007 at 08:43 PM.

_________________
Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0
Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS)
EFIKA owner
Amiga 1200

Quote:

What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.

Why would anyone buy that when you can run Aros on a cheaper but faster x86 box? The problem with Aros is the lack of hardware compitability"drivers", software base and such. This is why Aros is not usable for the average user yet, since you just cannot use it for daily tasks yet and a port to Sam will not solve this and will most likely slow down developement of the other areas of the OS.
What Aros needs is more devs and bounties for drivers and software ports and some kind of emulaiton layer.

@neongod

Quote:

What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.

There is a bounty for that too:

http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=60

_________________
Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0
Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS)
EFIKA owner
Amiga 1200

Amiga Inc. has to understand that even if it was not intended, their inaction for almost 8 years has caused damage to the Amiga brand and customer base. Look what Apple has done since 2000. The damage done has to be reflected in the price that Amiga would be sold for, if and when they want to sell the company. A new owner would have to spend more money rebuilding the brand. Unless Amiga is doing some amazing things in the background the value of Amiga has be affected. It will cost more money rebuilding the Amiga image and setting it up than what it costs to buy the company. Also, Acer's perspective should be investigated. I'm sorry Tedd let his frustration spill over into aw.net, my position is let them screw up, die then the ashes will be cheap to buy. It's very sad that OS 4.0 is done but it can't be sold, it's upserd.

Last edited by DiscreetFX on 25-Sep-2007 at 09:14 PM.

_________________
Sent from my Quantum Computer.