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Poster: mritter0 Date: 3-May-2016 2:34:28 As a programmer, are we allowed to distribute the new classes with our program? If not, then whats the point of buying?

In the first instance the classes are used by Enhancer components.

I think Matthew mentioned the possibilty to negotiate a licence to distribute withoyur own software in a coment above, so contact Matthew to discuss that.

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If so, good, but just another thing to be installed that should be part of the OS.

Just how can third party classses automatically become part of the OS?

Based on your question to various coding fora, you're activley learning to develope using reaction/BOOPSI at the moment, whilst you write your application, at some point you are going to take the next step an write a BOOPSI class your self, you might choose to release that as a stand alone 'product' on os4depot, should that prove useful to another dev, should it magically become "part of the OS" ?

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Poster: nbache Date: 2-May-2016 20:53:56 @broadblues: ice. Did you also change those hard to reach menu shortcut keys, BTW? Best regards, Niels

If you mean the ones I coppied from MultiView, then no I've left them as they were, for compabilty, if they were impossible for a certain language I hope translators might have localised them.

Right at the moment I can't remeber which they were and whether they are localised in MultiView.

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Trevor "content content content", yes but we need new developers. Then there's the wiki, but it's not very digest IMO. How about having a dev or a dev team to write a introductionnary book to Amiga OS 4.x programming. (3.x already exist).
Maybe something like "Mastering Amiga C book."
You even may buy the right of an AmigaOS 3.x book and updated it to 4.x so you don't start from scratch, isn't Paul Overaa British :)

Put your good Amiga C book here :

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@amigakit: Quote: developers need payment of course No, they don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Andy getting payment - good guy, good results - but he doesn't need payment - since for him, it's just a hobby. The party that needs payment is you. Not that I have a problem with that, I just appreciate precision.

I beg to differ.

Regardless of whether Andy really actually needs the money, I think it's important ... I think this entire community needs him to get paid, as in, what this community desperately needs, is a somewhat sound economic system.

Evert

Andy and the others of course

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+1 fully agree.

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you cannot earn money with thousand users and by far for sure not everyone interested to buy something

Games today are written using cross-platform tools supporting different relevant platforms including mobile devices

applications are of course a problem, GUI toolkits from amiga world are of course not available on other platforms. One chance would be you have a standardized class library and compile for a target using specific GUIs. Getting enough refund from the small and in my view further shrinking community to really pay developers is unrealistic.

to really finance application development the community is too small today (applications for me are not just minor updates to some utilities)

regarding games you could port cross-platform tools (open source) or something like hollywood is progressed so that it becomes competitive here

finally you earn money on android or iOS and additionally offer amiga support. Everything else is unrealistic

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People trying to change the situation are infinitely more interesting than those that simply say it can't be changed.

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Getting enough refund from the small and in my view further shrinking community to really pay developers is unrealistic.

It may be unrealistic to provide enough pay for the developers to make a living on.
And I don't think any developer really expects that anyway.

But me, as a developer, I would not appreciate it if all the earnings, however little that may be, made from my hard work, would go into the pockets of the distributor.

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Im just going to add to the whole "paid developers" discussion;

Daytona is coding like a maniac, for peanuts compared to the hours he puts in.
But as he puts it himself, it motivates him that the income from Amiga atleast covers the cost of smokes and coffe while coding.

Point is, a few bucks is better than none. And if the money we talk about is so meager, why do we complain over a token fee for a program?

Back in the days (80-90s) i couldnt afford to pay for the programs/games I used. Today I can afford my hobby to a certain extent and make it a point to pay for if requested.
I really dont see the problem.

Take Vampire for A600. Cheap in amiga terms, but on a mainstream scale, expensive due to low performance. I see very few, if any, complains about that. As it should be.

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People trying to change the situation are infinitely more interesting than those that simply say it can't be changed.

Couldn't agree more.

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Just how can third party classses automatically become part of the OS?

The same way other 3rd party software like SFS, SGrab, RAWBInfo etc. became part of the OS?

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AFAIK, neither SGrab nor SFS are "part of the OS", they were just included as contributions on one or more releases as extra goodies, more or less integrated in the OS.

I believe RAWBInfo might by now be considered truly part of the OS, but it started in the same way back in the 3.x days, as a contribution. And it is still "simply" a commodity which you can choose not to run, and you will have the classic WB Info requesters instead.

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Niels

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If you mean the ones I coppied from MultiView, then no I've left them as they were, for compabilty, if they were impossible for a certain language I hope translators might have localised them. Right at the moment I can't remeber which they were and whether they are localised in MultiView.

Translators should *never* be changing menu shortcut keys, it's annoying and potentially dangerous, since you use them blindly possibly without realising you are one day sitting at a machine with a different locale setting. How about if the R-Amiga F you are used to meaning Find suddenly invokes Format? (Exaggerating for pedagogical reasons here, of course ).

I told you about the keys in question when sending the Danish translation of MultiViewer to Matthew and you. I'll dig up the correspondance and mail you directly.

Oh, and of course I'm going to get the pack, but I'm waiting for the CD version. Hopefully the payment to you authors is the same regardless of the medium.

Best regards,

Niels

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Everything what help developers to still do something on amiga is kind of ok. All that new software cost a lot more than just some funts. So asking for something for free, like "why i should buy again something if i buy it standalone" - you can not buy it, then no one will write anything new for you :) Only classes probably can be exception..

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As for classes, probably they should be released together with SDK's somehwre on os4depot for all the developers who want to use it. So, any user can download them for free, and any author can point out in them as well. Because if make classes for private use, it will only mean, no one else except ppls who in dev team will use them.

Writing mails, asking "please can i use your new clasees, give me SDK, should i sign agreement?" too boring and probably non-go, and 3d party devs will just skip those classes.

But, if classes done for private use in first place, then why not. Just then there no needs to mention them at all :)

And when you will buy os4 righs, so all that gragmentation mambo-jambo stops ?:))

@all
Anyone who buy it and already download : did all of this contain change_logs ? I.e. what exactly was changed in sfs, tunent, amidvd, ringion and partition wizzard ?

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"did all of this contain change_logs ?"

No...

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Wow! Some new nice software.

Will surely buy the CD. It's due soon, isn't it?

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