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Announcement   Announcement : Total Amiga Magazine issue 17: Bring it on!
   posted by Mikey_C on 19-Feb-2004 12:27:36 (3743 reads)
The latest issue of Total Amiga Magazine has hit the printers and will be coming to a letterbox near you very soon.



This time we go for the big one! we preview OS4 pre-release and ask, does it live up to it's reputation?.
AOS4 on tour, As the release date fast approaches, We bring you several show reports and news.
Strapped for Cash? Can't afford a Tower? then find out how an Amiga user made himself an Amiga Tower - out of wood!
Plus our second parts on Mac Emulation, C programing, and Image enhancement.

Make no mistake Issue 17 of Total Amiga Magazine is bursting at the seams with articles, columnists, news, reviews, features and tutorials, making it the most essential purchase of 2004!

Don't miss out, visit our website http://www.totalamiga.org for more info!

Total Amiga Magazine, cos anything else just isn't!
    

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Mikey_C 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 19:14:40
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Actually, it's very unusual to hear a person who dislikes the magazine. We have had one or two critics in the past who gave negative views on the magazine, but these were from people who hadn't actually seen it. You are the first person to actually come out and give us a hard time over it. Which would suggest to me that we must, overall get the balance right.

As you are aware the magazine gets produced on a voluntary basis. for example the final layout and setting, takes many days, often Rob Williams spends a good, if not most of a weekend getting the final draft ready for the printers.

Total Amiga Magazine relies entirely on contributors and we are extremely grateful that people like Fleecy Moss, Alan Redhouse, Andrew Korn, Richard Drummond, John Chandler and others take their time out to write articles for the magazine in their own spare time which can sometimes be quite time consuming/

For Example, my Mac Emulation article in issue 15 that you so quickly disregard, took me four weeks of research on MacOS, before I felt competant enough to write an article about it.

I will make no apologies, Total Amiga Magazine, is a fine magazine, it has been praised by many, many, people.
Indeed we have a very high re-subscription rate and a slow but steadily growing circulation.

As L8-X has already stated, it is far easier to knock than to create, I invite you to submit some articles to TAM for consideration.

Regardless of your comments, I feel that we are making a strong and important contribution to the Amiga community. Far more than others who are quite happy to jeer from the sidelines.

Mikey C
Total Amiga Magazine

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soft 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 19:18:03
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We all have opinions, but I think you are insulting the people that produce TAM.


Whether their egos can withstand my critisism isn't my concern. I just happen to hold an opinion opposite to everyone elses. That is not rudeness. I'm going to think what I think regardless of whether I say it or not. If there is something you particularly didn't like about the way I stated my opinion, then perhaps you should explain yourself, rather than being ambiguous.

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you sound as if you think you can do better?


What relevence does it have as to whether I can do better? If one must be able to do better in order to not support them, then by that logic you must also not be able to do as well as they can in order to support them. And therefore the best writers for TAM must not be allowed to support themselves. Sounds like a load of nonesense to me.

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Have an opinion but please express it with a bit of respect for other peoples feelings.


By doing what, exactly? Do you think I should lie about my opinion? Or would you rather I didn't state my opinion at all? If so, why the double-standard for everyone else, who is permitted to speak freely? That's all I'm doing: speaking freely.

You say I have no respect for other people's feelings. I was aware before I posted that some people would want to defend their favourite magazine from my 'attack', or would feel compassion for the hard-working, generous writers and react as my cruel and selfish words are tearing into their very souls. But they aren't. Ask them if you don't believe me.

If I had 100% respect for everyones feelings, I wouldn't write anything about anything, period. You don't think my feelings are affected by what you've just written to me? They are you know, but I wouldn't normally have mentioned it because what I respect is constructive arguments, not feelings. Life's too short to be burdened with hypersensitive empathy. My opinions aren't as harsh as you think. They're just different.

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soft 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 19:27:15
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@MikeyC: It wasn't necessary to go to the trouble of posting that, because I've already acknowledged the effort that goes into it. It goes without saying that they have the best intentions. This does not diminish what I think of the magazine. It is still a poor magazine in my view, regardless of how it was conceived.

Speaking of balance, I think it is rather unbalanced to have nobody oppose the magazine. So I've rectified something there. Perhaps the real reason nobody out there seems to dislike the magazine is because they know that if they voice their opinion, they'll come under a relentless volley of opposition. I also recognised this but I'm not a conformist or a coward, so I'm not going to be silent or sugar-coat my words to the extent that they no longer mean what I intend. I don't doubt that most people on this site enjoy the magazine, but it's unlikely that I'm the only person out there who dislikes it. Even if I am, it isn't going to stop me from saying what I think.

Do you think that having an unpopular opinion means you shouldn't state it?

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rhino 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 19:59:06
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Do you think that having an unpopular opinion means you shouldn't state it?


I certainly don't have any problem with anyone stating their opinion. Of course not everyone will like Total Amiga and it's interesting to hear why you don't like it.

From an earlier post:

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At the very least, they could stop printing the magazine.


I did think you went a bit far suggesting that we should stop publication and don't really agree that having a magazine within the Amiga community (good or bad) rather than no magazine can be a negative thing.

I'm also glad that several people pointed out that Total Amiga does have lots of original content (whatever you think about its quality) and it's not just pulled straight from the web sites etc.

Finally, if anyone is interested in the mag they can download back issues from our website (in PDF format), including quite recent ones, to see if the mag suits them. We try to be as open as we can about the magazine up-front so perhaps that's why most people who go on to subscribe seem to like it.

Robert
Editor, Total Amiga

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IanS 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 20:07:09
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@soft

You do understand that Total Amiga isn't meant to be a magazine suitable for "mass-market"? And that the people involved don't get paid for producing it?

I would truly love to know what you're basing your opinions on - I am a subscriber to TAM and I find most of the articles to be pretty interesting and informative, as it seems, do most of the other readers. Have you read any of the other issues? Or are you being far too quick to judge?

Having said this, I'm sure constructive criticism would be much appreciated by the TAM team. Your criticism however, is purely opinionated and quite frankly, irrelevant. Yes you are obviously entitled to your own opinions, but perhaps trying to use them in a more constructive way would be better for one and all.

Why suggest that the TAM team should stop producing the magazine? I find that remarkably egotistical. After all,who gave you the right to say what should and shouldn't be published? If you're not happy with the quality of paper used then why not put up the money so that it can be produced to a commercial standard? No, thought not.

And people wonder why the Amiga community is seen as an embarassment? Well I'm pretty sure it's not magazines like TAM that are the cause. Maybe next time you should look a bit closer to home.

Cheers,
Ian

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soft 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 20:16:02
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I did think you went a bit far suggesting that we should stop publication and don't really agree that having a magazine within the Amiga community (good or bad) rather than no magazine can be a negative thing.


I would be very surprised if you did agree with me on that. The reasoning behind me saying it was that it is too 'ameteurish', and anyone used to reading professional publications would be very unimpressed with it.

I don't want you to regard any this as a slur against you; as I've already said, I recognise you have the best intentions in regards to the Amiga community, and contrary to what you might think I don't enjoy thinking of Total Amiga the way I do. But nethertheless It's what I think.

To be more specific about one of the things I didn't like about the Total Amiga issue I purchased, it was the editorial you wrote. It wasn't terrible - but it wasn't far from it. I'm no expert on analysing language so I can't specifically comment on what I found wrong with it, but it struck me as very unprofessional and it didn't grab my attention the way most magazine articles would. If I may make a suggestion: maybe if you read (read: studied) editorials from other magazines it would help you improve in this regard. But take it how you will.

I'll contradict what I said previously about stopping publication, and say I wish you the best of luck with your magazine. Perhaps some day it'll be good enough that I'll want to read it.

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CaptainFrank 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 20:23:26
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I for one am really looking forward to readng the latest issue.

I haven`t read an Amiga mag since AmigaActive closed (actually became Digital them closed). I`d never even seen an issue of it before the Bath OS4 Tour (where I bought myself a 12 month subscription).

@Soft

Back in the days of Amiga Format (the early days), very few Amigans were on the `net, and in the latter years, when more off us were on, the "news" was often a month out-of-date to what we were reading on the `net.

Don`t forget, there isn`t really much going on in the Amiga market atm, there aren`t going to be many "Exclusives" for an Enthusiasts magazine.

Yes, you are entiteled to an opinion, so am I. I like it.


Best Regards,


Frank.

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jahc 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 20:52:44
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I'm short on money, but I will probably buy the latest issue anyway. I got issue 16 and liked it. Not just because of its content, but because its cool to actually have a paper mag about my favourite computer.

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soft 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 20:53:41
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You do understand that Total Amiga isn't meant to be a magazine suitable for "mass-market"?


I'm aware of that, not least because its impossible to produce a mass-market Amiga magazine under current circumstances. My stance is, I think an unprofessional magazine only provides an unprofessional front to an apparently unprofessional market. In other words, anyone curious about the market will be largly unimpressed if they happen to read this magazine.

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Why suggest that the TAM team should stop producing the magazine?


Because it gives a bad impression. I take back what I said there, because I would much prefer that the magazine have a chance to improve, and if it stopped publishing, it wouldn't have that chance. The harm it might be doing in detering potentional newcomers to the market is probably very diminutive, therefore, I'll say that they shouldn't stop publishing, and hope that the magazine eventually improves to a degree where it won't make me cringe.

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L8-X 
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Posted on 19-Feb-2004 21:19:50
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@Soft

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Whether their egos can withstand my critisism isn't my concern. I just happen to hold an opinion opposite to everyone elses. That is not rudeness. I'm going to think what I think regardless of whether I say it or not. If there is something you particularly didn't like about the way I stated my opinion, then perhaps you should explain yourself, rather than being ambiguous.


No, having an opinion is not rudeness, but how you express it certainly is.
I should explain myself? Read through what you wrote and if it none of it sounds rude to you then I'm afraid your manners are VERY lacking.

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What relevence does it have as to whether I can do better? If one must be able to do better in order to not support them, then by that logic you must also not be able to do as well as they can in order to support them. And therefore the best writers for TAM must not be allowed to support themselves. Sounds like a load of nonesense to me.


Normally when you criticise something it is because it does not meet your expectations, and in such circumstances it is normal to think "I would do this in such & such a way" etc, and offer alternatives or do you just say " this is cr*p" and leave it there? Sounds like nonsense? Well it sounds like nonsense to you but if you can't understand what I'm trying to say to you then I'm wasting my words on you.

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If I had 100% respect for everyones feelings, I wouldn't write anything about anything, period. You don't think my feelings are affected by what you've just written to me? They are you know, but I wouldn't normally have mentioned it because what I respect is constructive arguments, not feelings. Life's too short to be burdened with hypersensitive empathy. My opinions aren't as harsh as you think. They're just different.


You can respect peoples work and still give constructive criticism, thats how people communicate to improve things. Now if your affected by me pointing out that I thought you were being rude, then good, thats what it was meant to do, please take some heed of it.

Constructive arguments? Your opinions aren't as harsh as I think? What like this?
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At the very least, they could stop printing the magazine. I don't expect that they will do that, and I don't care if they don't, but I think it would help.


Yeah thats real constructive and not the least bit harsh isn't it?

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Bodie 
Re: Total Amiga Magazine issue 17: Bring it on!
Posted on 20-Feb-2004 0:09:22
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Great mag. I'm particularly looking forward to the mac emulation and c tutorials.

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Stilgar 
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Posted on 20-Feb-2004 8:55:40
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Why suggest that the TAM team should stop producing the magazine?


Because it gives a bad impression.


I think what gives a much worse impression is the kinds of idiots in the Amiga community posting crap like this. I mean from the outside we must all look like a bunch of lunatics and trolls, no worth as a community at all.

It's like the cliche, "Good impressions start at home", you want the Amiga community to not look so bad, first clean up your act and use it to set an example.

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Posted on 20-Feb-2004 11:27:47
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T3h T4MZ0r r0x40rz my s0x40rz!

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soft 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 20-Feb-2004 16:20:26
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@stilgar: Calling me an idiot was uncalled for. You don't have to call me names, just say you don't agree with what I said.

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I mean from the outside we must all look like a bunch of lunatics and trolls


The only thing that strikes of lunacy and trolling is posts like yours. You added nothing to the argument at hand, you had nothing to say that was constructive, you simply spat out a bunch of insults, refering to my posts as 'crap' and refering to me as an 'idiot' (how cunning I barely noticed you were refering to me) without an intelligent argument in sight, and refered to the community as a whole as 'lunatics and trolls'. Way to go.

I wonder why you didn't choose to insult me directly instead of alluding towards me in the third person? Could it be because it lumps me in with a stereotypical group and save you the effort of producing a valid argument?

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you want the Amiga community to not look so bad, first clean up your act and use it to set an example


You want me to clean up my act? I think what you mean to say is, you want me to like Total Amiga like everyone else, because you simply can't handle the fact that I don't like it and have a different view to yours. 'Cleaning my act' would entail altering my personality just to suit yours. To hell with that.

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