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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
   posted by AP on 9-Aug-2004 19:17:40 (4371 reads)
As you can read on amiga-news.de (in German) I started a petition to help bring PapyrusOffice to AmigaOS4.0 today.

Sooo: If you are a AmigaOne-User and will defenitely buy such a version, please send a short mail to: papyrus@chello.at. I will collect all names/adresses and send them together with a friendly Email to Michael Garlich. As i work as journalist I interviewed Mr. Garlich a few times before and know him as a very competent and reasonable person . Maybe this "list" will motivate him to think about an AOS4.0-version of "Papyrus Office". Lets give a try!

Thank you for your help!

Anton Preinsack

P.S. Sorry fo my English
    

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mjohnson 
Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 20:35:45
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From: going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

While I admire the effort, I'm not sure how much effect such a petition would really have.

What might be more persuasive would be a "release an OS4-upgrade package for a nominal fee for registered users of the 68k release", I'd most likely get my name on such a list, if/when I get around to buying the current Amiga version once it's available.

Which seems somewhat likely, though it's obviously a matter of finances, it's a lot of money (though I wouldn't call it expensive, I'm sure it's worth every penny and then some), and I wouldn't mind reading a few reports on how it performs emulated under OS4, as well as how compatible the word processor is.

But I couldn't swear by the fact that I will buy a copy, it's just likely that I sometime might, and if an OS4 version should be available at that time, that's what I'd get. But until I've actually put my money where my mouth is, I don't really think a petition is something I'd be inclined to participate in.


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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 20:39:38
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From what I have heard so far it seems like it won't happen. Perhaps I am wrong, but it sure seemed like he was anti-OS4 for whatever reason. I really would rather not go begging if that is the general attitude. As nice as it would be to have an office suite on AmigaOne, I really would hope that someone else does it instead as his current PR has left a sour taste.

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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 20:44:09
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I doubt petitions have much if any influence on deciding these kind of things.

I do not participate in online petitions because I think they are futile and are probably irritating to the the person who's mind you are trying to change.

Each to himself though.


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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 20:54:08
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Many Amiga programs are released as mail-ware, i.e. the writer asks only an e-mail to let him know that you are using his/her program.

It can only be useful for a developer to get a message to say that at least XXX users are interested in buying the program.

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AP 
Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 21:04:48
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>I doubt petitions have much if any influence on deciding these kind of things.

Maybe. But maybe not.

>I do not participate in online petitions because I think they are are futile >and are probably irritating to the the person who's mind you are trying to >change.

This isn't a petition like "We want Papyrus for AOS4! Now!!!". It is only a list of people, who would be interested in buying such a version, together with a short letter which says (in better words, of course;)): "This persons would buy such a version. Maybe you can think about it."
So Titan/Michael Garlich can see, how big the potential market for a AOS4.0-version will be. And maybe (if there are enough potentiel buyers) he will think about a AOS4.0-version. Maybe not. Maybe there will be at least a stable and AOS4.0-tested 68k-version. Who knows? I think it is worth to try.


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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
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From what I understand Titan are too bloody stubborn and are more than willing to continue spreading their FUD about OS 4 and are more than happy to cut off their nose to spite their face.

The market is there, Infact there is no real competition so we will buy their product. Its up to them to get it out to us though.

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RedMelons 
Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 21:14:14
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@Bobsonsirjonny:

"Its up to them to get it out to us though."

I think we have to work together as a community and do everything possible to get this sort of program out as soon as possible.

Anybody looking at the super-duper new PowerPC AmigaOne is going to say "yes, but what programs does it run?"

If there are not a good office suite, web browser etc then they're just not going to be interested.

And we DO NOT need assurances that these things will come "when they're ready!" We need them NOW!

As far as I can see, Papyrus Office is just about ready and looks like an excellent program.

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JKD 
Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 21:17:30
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When the Papyrus project was started, there was no OS4...plain and
simple.

Now they have their hands full with the Amiga 68K version and the
MorphOS version.

There is an A1, there is now an OS4 SDK...maybe they change their
minds now, since opening up to OS4 would double the size of their PPC
market yes?

Papyrus runs on MUI, so a port to OS4 would be relatively trivial,
pending printer support of course.

Steve

P.S. Maybe they do or don't like OS4/A1 but you helping to spread
hate/rumours surely isn't helping

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Chris_Y 
Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 9-Aug-2004 21:22:17
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I'm in two minds about this.

On one hand, I would love to see an OS4 native version of Papyrus Office.

On the other, I don't know whether I would buy or use it even if it existed. For the amount of WP etc that I do, Wordworth is perfectly adequate, if a little slow in printing (but that might not be Wordworth's fault). For anything more complex, I also have Pagestream (which, again, takes ages to print, which is why I think this slowness probably isn't the apps' fault, I need to connect the printer to the parallel port and try Pagestream's own printer drivers, but I digress). For spreadsheets I am happy to use TurboCalc.

I'm not sure what advantage Papyrus Office - even an OS4 native version - would provide me with; I would need to see it in action first. I recognise that there is a need for this software to be available, as any new/returning Amigans will not be able to buy Wordworth, Final Writer, etc. However in this case it does not really matter whether it is 68k or native, provided that it works.

If the OS4 installed base becomes big enough to be a financially viable market, then we will have office suites coming out of our ears. Until then, I don't see much reason other than the fact it is nice to have native OS4 software.

Chris


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Posted on 9-Aug-2004 21:45:53
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Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but couldn't KMOS throw some money in to get something of this sort ported?

When I asked Garry at Amiwest about porting an Office Suite he ducked the question and went on to the importance of having a world class browser. Doah!!!!

Something I am worried about is that with so much talk of porting free stuff from Linux, like for example, OpenOffice, that it may dissuade Amiga developers from taking the time and effort to produce OS4 commercial software to compete with it.


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nzv58l 
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Quote:
I think we have to work together as a community and do everything possible to get this sort of program out as soon as possible.


It would be nice if we could all just get along. However, the reality of the situation is although there are some developers that can open their minds and hearts to a wider market. Some see any advances in OS 4 to be a threat to their prefered platform which was definitly expressed in a previous thread. Would you really want a piece of software from someone that does not want to see your platform be a success?

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Posted on 9-Aug-2004 23:10:47
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Mr Garlich wrote me that they needed atleast two AmigaOne's
and about two months of development time to make an OS4
version. Also something about support from Hyperion?! But I
wonder what more than email contact and the SDK they would
need?! I think he wanted Hyperion & Eyetech to give him the
hardware and OS4's to for him to develop it..

He also wrote that the OS4 market as it is now was too small
make this commitment them selves. But when OS4 is released
they will reevaluate the marked, he said.
Also while OS4 is lacking printing support they will not bother
to even think about it.

But we will not see it anytime soon I think because he is very
much into MorphOS. But if sales of AmigaOS4 picks up they
will probably have to make it..


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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
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Quote:
Also something about support from Hyperion?


As I pointed out before, Mr. Garlich never contacted Hyperion to ask for support.


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Re: Petition started: PapyrusOffice for AmigaOS4.0
Posted on 10-Aug-2004 0:03:11
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I just made quite a big research about usability of different office packages and the result is that the only really good ones are Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org Nor AbiWord or some other lowcost packages were really usable. In the *REAL* world there is required Microsoft Office compatibility (Word, Excel, (PowerPoint)) and localised versions into as many as possible languages... I am not sure Papyrus can fill a gap, but hey maybe the OS4 target isn't *REAL* world...


BTW compared Office suites: 602PC SUITE, Ability Office, AppleWorks, Corel WordPerfect Office, EasyOffice, EIOffice, GNOME Office (Incl AbiWord), Gobe Productive, KOffice, Lotus SmartSuite, Microsoft Office 2003, Microsoft Works, OpenOffice.org, SoftMaker Office, SOT Office, StarOffice, ThinkFree Office.

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Team

As you can see from my relatively low "post count" I do not post very often but I have been here for a while.

I have sent the email as I consider any new software for OS4 to be a good thing and wish to encourage any and all genuine developers.

I am quite prepaired to purchase another version and then pay an "upgrade price". I can understand the developer being cynical about pettion posters who are not prepaired to spend anything but "jump onboard anyway". If purchasing another version (6800 or Morphos) will convince the developer I am a gunuine buyer than that is fine with me (I have a UAE emulator and a Pegasos machine so I could use the software although neither is my "preferred paltform" at this time).

Regards
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I am not sure Papyrus can fill a gap,


It had a favourable review in german's renown computer magazine, c't. I would prefer an OOo port, but any software that can fill a gap (and in terms of office software there is a gap on all systems) is welcome.


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Time will show but i read dozen of reviews during my research and even the most serious magazines are publishing biased reviews.

Even reviews of my loved OpenOffice.org are saying the compatibility with MS Word is nearly 100% but that is far from truth....

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Poster: RedMelons Date: 9-Aug-2004 21:14:14


@Bobsonsirjonny:

"Its up to them to get it out to us though."

I think we have to work together as a community and do everything possible to get this sort of program out as soon as possible.

Anybody looking at the super-duper new PowerPC AmigaOne is going to say "yes, but what programs does it run?"

If there are not a good office suite, web browser etc then they're just not going to be interested.

And we DO NOT need assurances that these things will come "when they're ready!" We need them NOW!

As far as I can see, Papyrus Office is just about ready and looks like an excellent program.




I agree - but there is a problem in that Titan could easily do a port but would sooner spread FUD about OS . They are cutting there nose off to spite their face. Olive branch after olive branch has been extended to them but they dont wanna know. They are ubber Blue Trolls. If they ported it you can bet people - myself included - would buy it as it would pretty much be the 1st Word Processor off the block.

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FUD? Well, I think Fear is too strong a word, it's only a computer after all, but as a long term Amigan and AmigaOne owner, I do have a fair bit of uncertainty and doubt myself about the future of the AmigaOne and AmigaOS. AInc themselves have, in my opinion, been the main cause of this U&D.
So I certainly don't blame any developer, who after all is risking his investment, for having doubts about the viability of a platform.

It's now up to the Amiga partners, not independant developers, to dispel the uncertainty and doubt, and bring confidence back to the community.

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@Bobson

Olive branches ??????

You are not talking that locked away thread about that email aren't you ?
Or about the insuls,threats and smears they have gotten both in public and in email ever since they announced that they would add MOS to their "supported OS" list ?

It's more than a (small ? big ? dunno, doesn't matter) part of the Red camp bitting the hands that could feed them over and over again, while the rest of the "camp" only watches instead of stopping them.

There is only one way to get Papyurs on OS4:

1. Stop the demanding emails, the petitions and the public smears. And I mean all of them.
2. Buy the 68k-version. It seems to work on Amithlon,UAE and MOS, heck it's even useable on an 040 from what I heard. If OS4 can't run this at a reasonable speed/stability, than there is no help in a native version anyways.
3. Add a small note "I would like an OS4-version, please" to the regristration form. No word more, and none less.

Get 300 people do that, and you will have an effect.


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