naaah m8, you're dreaming, ibrowse never crash and is the better browser of the world ! amigans don't need other browsers...


thats what ppl said me yesterday, while i was offering a new idea on AWnet's forums.

actualy port mozilla or khtml could be quite a big and long work, why not start with something little?
like Links2 ? (it have nice graphical mode now)

http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/features.html

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My excuse is. I don't have any one to work with.
And working via internet is not alwasy as viable as one might think.

It has been years since I have worked with c++, but that long ago I did some regular C.

So if some one near my home town would be willing to help, I could once in a while do some coding.

Beleive me, if only I had some one to work with I would love to do all sort of stuff for the AMiGA.

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good luck and i wish i had the time /effort to join in but i cant....

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To see a KHTML engine and a KHTML based browser on AmigaOS would be really cool.

But.... Why do you think that anyone would help you with this project for free, while there are nobody wants to help port gecko/firefox for a huge amount of money?

As I can see, no developers interested in amiga any more Just visit the aminet, and you will see that there are absolutely no uploads since weeks!

Maybe the only developers doing some job on amiga platform are the guys who involved in the OS development. They have no time for browsers...
It would be really cool if I'm wrong...

neongod: thats trolling man , aminet has no uploads for weeks because the main site is down and will be down for quite some time, so lets see if a new site which takes uploads will come.

anyway this was covered in a news item quite a few weeks ago , maybe u missed this newsitem...

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@neongod

Plenty of uploads here: http://os4depot.net

/Björn

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But.... Why do you think that anyone would help you with this project for free, while there are nobody wants to help port gecko/firefox for a huge amount of money?

It's hard to tell whether money would help or not, but people tend to stay quiet when there is nothing being done, and it doesn't matter how much you get paid. It'll have to be a ridiculously huge amount. Once something has been done and there's something for developers to study and modify, and THEN things will roll.

When it comes to the hard numbers, the amount of money donated to Amizilla is way too small to sustain the income for a single developer, if he/she would do it full time. Porting Mozilla or KHTML is a huge task, so a huge amount of money would probably help. But there is a problem: What happens when the port is done? You'll need to keep paying the person/people, and it'll quickly a become very expensive process of keeping browser development going. Development suddenly becomes dependant on money which is a scarce resource. A dependency we don't need.

This is how Linux distributions like Debian keep surviving. They might not have as much momentum as Redhat, Mandrake or SuSE, but they wouldn't run out of money like Mandrake nearly did.

Money also tends to drive development in a specific direction, usually one which isn't technically ideal. I've seen projects that turned veeery ugly, because too much money was poured into their development, and the people behind it didn't care anymore, because they just scored a quick buck.

There's pretty good momentum in AWeb APL Lite, because the developers are interested in porting the browser and also poking at OS4 to see how it is to develop for. And they don't get paid for it. They enjoy it and find interest in it.

In the end, KHTML needs to be ported by people who are interested in this stuff and would get goosebumps at seeing a CSS capable browser running on their Amiga for the first time. Not those who just want to score a quick buck.

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Henrik Mikael Kristensen
AWeb Development Team

@neongod

There are a lot of good programmers but they are already busy working on OS4, drivers, utilities ecc..... Check OS4 Depot.

@HMK
I really want to have khtml on Aweb or IBrowse, it would be cool if IBrowse team could join the forces with the Aweb team. Or all togheter work on Amizilla, FireFox for Amiga would be the best solution. We need to port gtk.

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I want am applying for the job. It is true I am already having my own project AGM and VC, but I can dish another project as well. I need to know whom do I need to apply for this job, below is my resume and my email address is amiga500@gmail.com for contact purposes:

Fahed Al-Daye


[HIDDEN ADDRESS]

[HIDDEN PHONE NUMBER]

Languages: English and Arabic.

Computer Knowledge: Knowledge of OS:
? Windows (Windows 3.1/95/98/NT/XP/2K pro)
? Macintosh (OS x)
? Linux (RedHat)
? Amiga (OS 1.x, 2.x, 3.x)

Development software:
? Microsoft C++
? Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0
? Microsoft Visual Basic.NET
? Microsoft C#
? Microsoft ADO.NET
? Microsoft ASP.NET
? Java
? HTML/XML
? Oracle, SQL, PL/SQL
? Visual Studio

Business Applications:
? Words 2000, Access 2000, Excel 2000, FrontPage 2000
? Macromedia Studio MX (DreamWeaver)

EDUCATION
2003-2004 Lasalle College, Montreal, Q.C, Canada
2001-2002 Mount Saint Vincent University, Halifax, NS, Canada
1993-1998 High School, CPA, Montreal, Halifax, NS, Canada

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE
2001-2002 Computer Lab Supervisor
Responsibilities:
? Supervise, assist students with computers.
? Cashier
? Computer technician (fix computers when they are down such as reinstallation of the OS or hardware related difficulties.)

ACEDAMIC PROJECTS

Responsibilities
? Developed an enhanced a database program for educational institute programmed in Visual Basic.NET (and Visual Basic 6.0)
? Developed a customer program for business applications programmed in C++
? Developed a business application programs, programmed in ASP.NET, SQL, and ADO.NET


REFERENCES
Available upon request

[Edit] I also know C/C++ Borland C++ and ASM...

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@Henrik Mikael Kristensen


I like your idea very much. And really hope to see this KHTML engine in one of the Amiga browsers.
Unfortunately I can't help. My programming skills were last tested long time ago, when there were no GUI's and C was never my favorite language.

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Oh I can see I am the only one going to get the job....oh goody, goody, goody, weeeeeeeeee

@HMK
How about starting a bit smaller and listing the library and tool dependencies for a KHTML port? Some of us may be interested in porting individual libraries and tools.

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ssolie:thats a great idea! , that way everyone could in a way support development and doesnt need to be 100% dedicated all the time or whatever...

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I can see I am the only one going to get the job....oh goody, goody, goody, weeeeeeeee

Please be aware that it isn't a paid job. The AWeb open source project is non-profit work. Also to work on it, you need to share and cooperate with current developers.

You are of course totally free to walk out of the project or only work on a small part of it.

All you need to do is to sign up on the aweb-dev mailing list, state your intentions and ask for help when you need it. We have GCC and AmigaOS experts sitting around.

Also read this: http://aweb.sunsite.dk/dev/docs/policy.html

I have KDE on both my Linux boxes at home and also on my Solaris box at work. Guess what browser I use? That's right, Firefox... One of the web sites I visit that requires login or something, don't remember if it was a bank or hotmail or what exactly, but Konquerer didn't work. Firefox does. So I'm somewhat concerned with khtml vs. whatever the mozilla engine is called, don't remember it's name at the moment. KHTML would of course be leagues better than currently available Amiga browsers, but for whatever reason I'm more comfortable with the idea of me using Firefox/Mozilla.

A lot of us are burnt out at the end of the day and have other projects needing done anyway. It's hard to take on yet another thing to do for most people with jobs, though I recently did anyway. :) Hopefully I'll be able to actually get some more Amiga stuff done soon, if my cablemodem ever works again, and I can look up what needs looking up. (Damn you Comcast!! Hook up the new line already!!)

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How about starting a bit smaller and listing the library and tool dependencies for a KHTML port? Some of us may be interested in porting individual libraries and tools.

That's a great idea. I'll see what can be figured out.

I know it is not a paid job :D Believe me. But I am getting 5 good things out of it, A) I am helping the amiga platform get developed, B) I am part of the amiga developers getting AWeb to the ground, C) Getting AWeb up from the ground, D) Experience, experience, experience, experience, and E) It will be added in my resume :)

Sorry, I missed that newsitem. Thats good if this is only a server problem.. I was a little bit scared.

ssolie: thats a really good idea!

@Foody
Great! Good luck mate! I hope you can buy a MicroA1 and port it directly on OS4!

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We need to port gtk.

Do we? Surely we would prefer the much easier task of porting the Mozilla GFX/Widgets to an AmigaOS GUI toolkit?

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