@Kronos
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Sure, but your company does design those boards....

YAWN! Please guys, this "argument" ended back in the 80's and even earlier for a lot of products. Move on.

Regarding the A1 sticker, it certainly does mean something. Branding is another area we computer geeks seem to think doesn't matter is the so-called "real world" but it does.

These arguments have already been won and not by any of us. Again, let's move on.

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@falcon1

Where's your problem?
Eyetech perhaps doesn't produce the microA1 but they worked together with MAI to made it reality.
Outsourcing is normal today. There's a company in Taiwan which does the mobos for Apple, Toshiba, Siemens and IBM laptops. So even the big player do it!

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A few comments:

Eyetech had these boards manufactured, they ordered the manufacturing and the board layout has changed a hell of a lot due to their input. Therefore as far as I am concerned they are the manufacturers and do the final assembly.

The price includes OS4, the prices quoted by Eyetech previously did not include OS4, and the reason the price is going up is because OS4 has worked out more expensive than initially factored in - this may be down to exchange rates between the pound and euro.

Please note that the prices quoted on the site are in UK pounds, NOT Euros.

Please note the details about PSUs in the product listing a this is quite important!

I apologise to those who live outside of the UK, but shipping costs from the UK to other parts of the world are hideous and its just not viable for me to send virtually anything bigger than a cheque outside of the UK, when a more local dealer will be able to do better for you!

I would also like to thank Hyperion Entertainment and Eyetech for their support and for bringing the machine and OS to market and also to Jurassic_Camper (for his help and input) and to everyone behind the Big Bash 2 for running the event, which was fun!

Finally, a thank you to my customers!

A couple of boards left.........

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@CodeSmith

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I'm not that concerned that the CPU is not upgradable. So far, of the 5 or 6 x86 systems I've bought over the years, I was only able to upgrade the CPU on my 486 (from a DX2-80 to a DX4-120).

A socket that is reaching it's EoL is not the best example e.g. S939-2MCH currently has a range of processor performance that spans from A64 2800+ (1.6Ghz, L2 512KB) to A64 FX-55(2.6Ghz, L2 1MB). S754-1MCH has a range of processor performance that spans from SemprOn 3100+(1.8Ghz, L2 256KB) to A64 3700+ (2.4Ghz, L2 1MB).

Non-socketed processor capability wouldn't work in multi-vendor X86 PC world i.e. the count-less mix of processor, motherboard, vendors and price points requires a socketed solution. Socket processor capability ussually support a range of processors with different price points targets e.g. K8 SemprOn (value S754, 1MCH) to Athlon 64 3700+ (S754, 1MCH), Athlon 64 2800+(value S939, Dual MCH) to Athlon 64 FX-55 (Flagship S939, Dual MCH). The same is true with Intel PC based systems.
Producing a fixed CPU + Mobo would be inefficient when factoring multiple motherboard vendors (with different features), multiple processor grades and multiple price points.

I?m guessing that the uA1-C has upgradeable processor module.

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Every single other system, either the CPU socket on the motherboard was obsolete so I could not buy a noticeably faster CPU (at least 50% faster clock) with the same socket, or the BIOS on the motherboard did not support the new CPUs (and there was no updated BIOS on the manufacturers webpage for that CPU).

To avoid the repeat of Socket A power circuit chaos (e.g. different volt/amp capacity during its reign), AMD has advised motherboard vendors to include appropriate power circuits to all K8 motherboards i.e. ~89Watts for S754/S940**, ~105 Watts S939. **Dual core future upgrade in mind.

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But also for the (Micro)Amigaones I think that the hardware will last longer than a PC for many reason...

Such as?

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(think also how much time has taken for Amigaone first and MicroA1 after to reach the market. Not to mention XC... )

It?s a matter of economics i.e. the finance to do R&D.

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@falcon1

Contracting or outsourcing is a standard practise in the IT industry e.g.
1. Sony?s DVD-RW drive is just a relabelled Lite-On DVD-RW drives.
2. IBM/HP(1st Tier)/RackSaver(2nd Tier) Opteron servers is just a *relabelled* Newisys Opteron servers.

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Hi,

What concerns me about the Micro A1-C is that Eyetech don`t seemed to have
learn`t the lesson that the Sunnon cooler is NOT satisfactory. I thought my
A1 XE G3 didn`t have cooling problems to the OS4 update came out, but with the
greater stress on the CPU my machine would lock up in minutes every time.
Even having turned the voltage down to 1.34v (which if i`m cynical I suspect is
what Eyetech have done with the C) , I still get lockups in Quake.
When I feel brave enough i`ll be updating to the Zalman cooling system, but
buyers of the C really shoudn`t have this inconvienience , it should be a
lesson learn`t.

Personally I might buy the industrial version (not worried about the lack of
cpu upgrade as i`m pretty sure an upgrade worth having ie 1.4ghz will ever
appear at a reasonable price). I certainly won`t buy it however until I know
the G3 is suffciently cooled.

Cheers

@deakmann

what makes you think the A1c's are shipping with the sunnon cooler.
My µA1c came with an AVC fan
Model number C4010T12H
Also has a 750GX processor not a 750FX like my XE.

The Fan consequently is the same fan used on 933Mhz EPIA-M (Eden)

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what makes you think the A1c's are shipping with the sunnon cooler.
My µA1c came with an AVC fan
Model number C4010T12H
Also has a 750GX processor not a 750FX like my XE.

The Fan consequently is the same fan used on 933Mhz EPIA-M (Eden)


I was going by the picture at:-

http://www.vesalia.de

Certainly looks like my sunnon, I thought only the A1-i was shipping with
the GX?
Anyway how does the AVC fan work? Do you know what voltage it`s using? Is it ok
with Quake? Are they still using the thermal tape rather than a thermal
compound?


Sorry lots of questions, but it would be nice to know.

Cheers

I had better clear this one up right now:

The batch of µ-A1-c units that I have had all have 750GX processors on the CPU module, which is simply down to a supply issue. They are still to be assumed to be FXs however as if something goes wrong and a replacement needs to be fitted, I can only guarantee it will be replaced with a 750FX.

The units I have a couple left of as of right now have GXs on, but I can only say that if a replacement CPU module is needed at some point it will be replaced with an IBM 750 running at 800MHz and I cannot be certain wether it would be an FX or GX.

Dunno if this is of interest :

Module Close-up

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Sven, can you or someone from Eyetech confirm that the 750GX chips on the MicroA1s have been down-rated to avoid the Condition Register bug?

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@DrBombcrater

I thought that only applied to chips clocked over 933Mhz, or am I confusing it with something else?

@Eric_S

IBM's errata sheet lists the bug as present in all 750GXs from 733MHz to 1GHz

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What bug is that ?

Refer to Erratum #8 table's in http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/FAB66613F3E43FBC87256E47007ADBBE
This is for PPC 750GX (IBM).

Refer to Erratum #23: in http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/2E2DEB644E064A6287256B0600038768/$file/750FX_Errata_DD2.X_V1.0.pdf
"L2 tag parity checking inaccurate at maximum frequency".
This is for PPC 750FX (IBM).

It?s not a major issue per se i.e. remap IBM?s rated Mhz to end user Mhz offerings(important in certain countries with strong consumer laws).

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Still better than any Pentium then

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(Side issue) Careful, since Intel has the Pentium III @1Ghz replacement initiatives i.e. X86 instructions used in Windows was OK while it was broken with Linux recompile.

Have you tested Antec?s TruePower 430Watt with uA1-C?

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The only recommendation I can make at the moment is that the Sereniti 2000 I have a pre-production V2 micro-A1 (essentially a C) in works happily. It has a 60W PSU, and there is an oldish 3.5" HD and a CD-RW drive in the case too, and it seems to be happy running for hours and happily boots.

There has been a bit of trouble with stable power from a bunch of x86 market PSUs in Mini-ITX cases as bizarrely they appear to have problems supplying a stable power feed when the power draw is low - as the power consumption of the micro-A1 appears to be rather minimal compared with x86 mini-ITX boards.

rule of thumb as with the XE: cheap, crap power supplies as usually bundled in some mini-ITX cases = trouble.

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