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Software News   Software News : Frying Pan 0.4a released
   posted by MikeB on 12-Nov-2004 10:49:04 (4861 reads)
A new version of Frying Pan has been released a few days ago. Frying Pan is a CD / DVD burning / mastering program.

http://www.tbs-software.com/fp/download.phtml
    

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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 12:45:05
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well, i downloaded it some days ago. don't know if it is 0.4 or 0.4a.
but it does not work with my aone/si680/nec dvd combo.
it starts and i can define the dvd rom. but i cannot erase my dvd-rw e.g.
the led of the dvd turns on and then nothing happens. makecd seems to be able to clean it.

should it work?

byebye...


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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Frying Pan only writes at youre Drive when you've registered it.

Look at: http://www.tbs-software.com/fp/faq.phtml under "Demo Restrictions"


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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Seems like a very promising piece of software. The evaluation version works fine here.

However, the registration system seems very punitive -- it's tied to a "specific" drive -- so if that drive dies (or if you want to upgrade to a better drive), you?re out of luck.

Supposedly, the author is working on a new registration system -- maybe that will be addressed (doubt it).

 
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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 14:04:49
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* 15 euro for first DVD±R/W drive and 10 euro for each next DVD±R/W drive
* 10 euro for first CD-R/W drive and 5 euro for each next CD-R/W drive
* Free for every ROM drive



I've both a cd-rw and dvd+rw in my A1. Does it mean that it costs 25 euro then


@klesterjr

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However, the registration system seems very punitive -- it's tied to a "specific" drive -- so if that drive dies (or if you want to upgrade to a better drive), you?re out of luck.


Reminds about those bundled Nero that are tied to a specific model.
This sounds even worse than that

That needs a change.


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 14:24:36
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Program uses per-drive registration. In other words, whenever You change, buy, upgrade, whatever Your drive to a newer and different one You have to re-register. Only the first registration is full-price; each next registration ("update") is cheaper, but still costs some.


I'm not saying that I would not appreciate your work, I do, but...

Sorry but this sounds too much like MicroSoft policy.

I have to say i do not understand registration system like that. I could buy your tool someday when I have DVDR/DVDRW drive, but not if the rules are those. I think it's not your business if i change drive and you sure should not charge money if I change drive !!

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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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Just downloaded it and tried to run it but it just locks my system (very latest build of OS4 running on AmigaOne)!

Previous version 0.3.2 runs fine, tried running new version on it's own... no joy. Then tried updating (by copying over latest files) my working installed version... still no joy!

Are there meant to be different executables (68k, MorphOS and OS4), as I can't see them from looking at the archive?


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@Miksuh
Quote:

I'm not saying that I would not appreciate your work, I do, but...


The same feeling here.
I can accept a bundled Nero that comes for free with a dvd- or cd-writer, been tied to a certain burner-model, but not for an application I pay for.


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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A really nice piece of software... but, unfortunately i have to agree with the others... that registration system ist.. ehm.. "sub-optimal" at least

Although i can understand his intentions up to some degree (making it shareware in general), it suddenly stops with this registration scheme.. If he wants to bind Frying Pan to a specific drive, ok, IF:

1) i can get a new free keyfile if i change my drive for whatever a reason. If he wants to make some more money with FP than once, then he should charge a fee for major updates. But - as miksuh already said - if, when, why and for what i change my CD/RW- or DVD/RW-drive is none of his business.

2) he'll release a full keyfile without drive dongle as soon as he stops developing Frying Pan (i don't hope this will happen anytime soon!). Because nothing is more annoying than a bought program which became useless, just because the developer stopped working on it and haven't made it at least Freeware. (Also passing the work onto another developer would be possible)


Damn pitty.. i really considered buying Frying Pan although i wouldn't really need it, but i'd rather write my own burning tool than supporting such a braindead registration scheme.. well, or use Winblows or Linux for that task.

(Hope nobody will take an offense because of my harsh words, but the scheme is really... well, you know.)

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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 17:05:56
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small review of the application,
nice design I liked it, it need some work doh,

* crashes on exit,

* player is playing in slow motion,

* it messes whit AHI on startup, annoying noise,

* "make dir" button once activated a "recoverable alert",
(the first time you use it, the 2en time it works?)

* the a1ide.device is not found as valid device

* when you select a device and unit your reminded about not registrated product, it annoying and unnecessary
and once again when you select a unit number

conclusion MakeCD 3.1c works out best!!!


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 19:33:24
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player is playing in slow motion,
i believe that's a function of it being a demo.

the registration and payment process seems a bit too complicated.

as paypal doesn't seem possible in that part of the world, i wonder if there is another solution?
something through a dealer?

something less painfull

i'd like to encourage people to continue programming.

just because.


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Posted on 12-Nov-2004 19:55:47
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guys and girls... WAKE UP!

stop the bickering... im serious!


yes the registration/purchase thing is annoying but it makes the tool CHEAP or would u want to pay the price makecd costs? , upgrading to a new drive is cheaper than a full new registration!.

Fryingpan used to be FREE but he asked for a cd or something (a copy) of what u made with it and guess what...NO ONE ever sent him anything...

I use fryingpan alot and its the only tool we have on amiga that does "correct" binm file compression/generation and its gui and design is damn nice compared to other amiga burning tools.

I LOVE Fryingpan and if they added "REGNET" (which is also possible in poland) or paypal then im sure alot of people would consider this power tool.

anyway i burn DVD's and DVD-R's and DVD+R with fryingpan and its the only proper tool i know of on amiga that does the job without .... needing shell/commands or simmilar bad stuff..

email error right away and ask for regnet! (the same Amirc and other vapor things use (and froggerNG) ) and im sure u wont regret paying the 6? euro for upgrading the driver.

rock on!.


ps:there is no os4 version atm, he has no os4 machine nor mos.


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He need to fix the bugs first


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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@Toaks

> yes the registration/purchase thing is annoying but it makes the tool CHEAP or would u want to pay the price makecd costs?

Yes -- I'd rather pay what makecd costs and get a piece of software that I can still use 2 years from now.

It is waaaay too difficult register from where I'm at -- so having to do it EVERY time I make a change to my system seems like a bad idea -- plus, who's to say he'll still be around two years from now.

It seems like a very good piece of software (like I said -- it works fine here) and it's the only REAL game in town to burn dvds.

I can only hope the registration process changes -- what's wrong with embedding the user's name, address, etc?

 
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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 21:34:32
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there's only one problem (excerpt from the frying pan page):

- Will You make a native mode for Pegasos/A1?

- At the moment I am not even willing to. Eventually I will think of AROS. The rest has to be satisfied with 68k code. If that is not enough for You - use BurnIt.

so - no os4 version in sight

byebye...


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
Posted on 12-Nov-2004 21:39:35
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Frying Pan only writes at youre Drive when you've registered it.

Look at: http://www.tbs-software.com/fp/faq.phtml under "Demo Restrictions"


so actually i can not test if it works?

byebye...


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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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@MichaelMerkel

No it works -- it just runs slowly and limits how much data you can write -- I didn't encounter any of the "bugs" that were mentioned. Worked well (and much more intuitively than MakeCD).

 
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Re: Frying Pan 0.4a released
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so - no os4 version in sight
byebye
oh, come on!
give the guy a break! if he doesn't have an A1 or a a peg, then how can he be expected to write software for it?


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* crashes on exit

Here i have had this problem for ages with all versions and also this HIT is present on os 3.x.


* player is playing in slow motion

No such problem here.


* it messes whit AHI on startup, annoying noise

No such problems here at all.

* "make dir" button once activated a "recoverable alert",
(the first time you use it, the 2en time it works?)

Use Dos tracker/applistinfo in prefs and add the info to application.dos (same goes for tools like dopus4 17.pre20 and rc-ftpd.

* the a1ide.device is not found as valid device

Yes this i had problems with until i noticed u wont even need that device or sii device as it selects cd0/cd1/cd2 etc directly from the mountlist.


* when you select a device and unit your reminded about not registrated product, it annoying and unnecessary
and once again when you select a unit number

No such problem....99% of all your "BUGS" is because ure using a non regged version.


conclusion MakeCD 3.1c works out best!!!

well makecd is good but with no DVD support and no BIN support (only burn...but not create) and maybe most of all...CPU INTENSIVE!.....

and no im not trolling , im just pointing out that fryingpan is great and infact the only tool i am using theese days.


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yes the registration/purchase thing is annoying but it makes the tool CHEAP or would u want to pay the price makecd costs?


Done that allready

MakedCD works fine for cd's, and for dvd-burning, a reboot into Debian and K3b takes care of things

So I don't really need Fryingpan, and I strongly disagree with the registration.

Here is an example:
What happens if you begin to use it with a dvd+rw that is faulty, and you replace your drive under the warranty.
Oh, Fryingpan does not work anymore, need to get a new registration for it

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@Toaks

> Fryingpan used to be FREE but he asked for a cd or something (a
> copy) of what u made with it and guess what...NO ONE ever sent him
> anything...

Thats not true!
I send him a cd :)

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