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When a OS4 native version?

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Does that mean it supports OS4, or that it just supports "classic" AmigaOS (3.9 and lower)?

If it doesn't support OS4, what will be required to do so? (Will it compile to OS4 PPC native for example.)

EDIT: I'm not worried that GOLDED itself or even the compilers are OS4 PPC native, I'm more worried about the end code result. Having it support OS4 SDK would be nice as well, but is secondary.

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@ikir

already asked.. never..

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@ikir already asked.. never..

Why in the world? Politics?

because for the developer it is a non-sense since it works very well on OS3.x, MOS and OS4 and speed is not needed

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Does that mean it supports OS4, or that it just supports "classic" AmigaOS (3.9 and lower)?

It doesn't support the OS4 SDK right away, so the "get your first project compiled in ten minutes" only applies to AmigaOS3, PowerUP, WarpOS and MorphOS. OS4 users will have to find workarounds. STRICQ has posted a quick solution on utilitybase.com. I apologize for the inconvencience but I can't support what I don't have or get. Unfortunately releasing a public SDK hasn't been a priority in the last six months.

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Will it compile to OS4 PPC native for example.

Yes, for example via vbcc. vbcc is a great cross-compiler and GoldED helps you to install it and integrates with it: you can create programs for OS4 on a classic Amiga (under OS3), programs for PowerUP on an Amiga with OS4, even programs for MorphOS on OS4 and vice versa. And of course programs for OS4 on OS4. Basically software for any Amiga/alike platform on any Amiga/alike platform. It's only a matter of changing a compiler switch: the target platform. You can do that in GoldED's vbccprefs options program. However, you must install the OS4 SDK separately, GoldED doesn't help you to integrate it with the editor (as it does with the OS3 SDK). In case of golded+vbcc, that's not so difficult because the vbcc makers basically took care of everything.

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Why in the world? Politics?

Oh dear ;) I have been given a PPC mainboard and probably should make a native version. But it just makes no sense. On my PPC test platform, the built-in benchmarks which tests scrolling and syntax highlighting reaches fiftythousand+ lines per second. There is no way you'd ever need that performance or even be able to use it since mouse and keyboard can not generate events at that rate. I'm not going to waste my time on something that delivers no tangible benefits. Beeing cross-platform compatible, on the other hand, is very useful to me. Luckily the compiler makers aren't so lazy which means these (CPU-intensive) componenents run as fast as they should run :)

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ok, but...The GoldED progerammer should do a tutorial about integration between GED and OS4 SDK with new autodocs, new compiles, new include....

If I can follow a guide about this type of configuration I sure buy it...

ShInKurO

In addition to this:

GoldED 5 and 6(6.2.4) don't support OS4 AntiAliasing effect for fonts and GoldED6 (6.2.4) has problems with the option "use ASL Requesters"....
Have anyone proved the last (not this, but a past version before this) version of GED AIX to confirm these problems on OS4 please?

ShInKurO

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ok, but...The GoldED progerammer should do a tutorial about integration between GED and OS4 SDK with new autodocs, new compiles, new include....

In case I've been unclear, I (beeing the GoldED developer) don't have the SDK. Which means that I'm the last person who could write a good tutorial about it. A tutorial will have to come from developers familiar with OS4 and its SDK.

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GoldED 5 and 6(6.2.4) don't support OS4 AntiAliasing effect for fonts

That's a very nice way of saying that those old versions crash. Antialiasing is (actively) turned off in newer versions. It is only permitted in dialogs. That is because GoldED does some stuff with fonts that is not possible with antialiased fonts. For example, it contains custom rendering routines, it can change line spacing etc. As to your ASL problems, GoldED6 never had any as far as I now (but 6.2.4 is so old that I'm not completely sure). Please check your file requester redirection patches, if any are installed.

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It doesn't support the OS4 SDK right away, so the "get your first project compiled in ten minutes" only applies to AmigaOS3, PowerUP, WarpOS and MorphOS. OS4 users will have to find workarounds.

Which reminds me that I have completely forgotten about this issue (I have an outstanding mail from you). I'm going to answer that right away. Sorry 'bout that, but the answer is positive.

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In case I've been unclear, I (beeing the GoldED developer) don't have the SDK. Which means that I'm the last person who could write a good tutorial about it. A tutorial will have to come from developers familiar with OS4 and its SDK.
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Ok therefore I should work around this iussue (If do I buy it from internet is there some exaustive manual in my native language -italian- that explain the principal ways to configure the IDE?) Is possible that nobody have AIX with OS4 in this time and know how configure it to use OS4 SDK?? Must I do it?


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That's a very nice way of saying that those old versions crash.
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;-P In real when 5 or 6 meet a problem like this (font, fixed with update1 disabling directly antialiasing effect or asl) are limitated to freeze the system but I don't think that this is an your problem


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Antialiasing is (actively) turned off in newer versions.
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Grrr, and what kind of font Do I use with a resolution of 1024x768x32? It is limited to support fixed type of fonts (topaz, rafallback,courier that are very large in orizontal...), ok OS4 permitts to use Vera Sans Mono (which without Antialiasing effect makes the same ";" = ":", or Nimbus Mono which is that I use....but these 2 fonts without antialiasing are very ugly....It should be better to use Helvetica but...it support the fixed fonts!!!:_//)


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That is because GoldED does some stuff with fonts that is not possible with antialiased fonts. For example, it contains custom rendering routines, it can change line spacing etc.
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IIRC there are similar routines in BareED and CED but these permitt not only to support antialiasing effects but in BareED there is the support of hightlight rendering for C/C++ sources with os4 antialiang effect....
Ok, you wan't support/work around antialiasing effect but...give use a decent 21th sec. font to use golded or say me what kind of font I should use



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As to your ASL problems, GoldED6 never had any as far as I now (but 6.2.4 is so old that I'm not completely sure).
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GoldED5 haven't this prob...for this fact I ask if the problem is present also in AIX....It is very unusable to not use ASL requesters (for example I do directory, delete files etc from OS4 ASL requesters....)...


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Please check your file requester redirection patches, if any are installed.
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I use nothing patch on my system...


10x for your replies

ShInKurO

Sorry for my bad english ;_)

Last edited by ShInKurO on 12-Jan-2005 at 07:56 AM.

I take advantage of Dietmar's presence to ask him if devkits:devkits.config is the right file to edit in order to add the OS4 compiler to GoldED.
If I've understand all I have to do is to cut/paste a "compiler" block and adapt it to OS4 SDK needs eventually adding on/off script to make gcc resident to speed up things. But is it all ? After that will an OS4 choice automatically appear in the "compiler" menu or should I do other configuration ?

PS: if I manage to set it correctly I may write a quick "how-to" for others

PPS: I've ordered GoldED in december and I must say that even without specific OS4 support you can still take advantage of some of the IDE facilities using the "other compiler" option.

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take advantage of Dietmar's presence to ask him if devkits:devkits.config is the right file to edit in order to add the OS4 compiler to GoldED.

Absolutely. That's the central file that describes what compilers are installed, where and how they are to be used. You should take a look at the scripts in devkits:scripts, too. These are started in user-startup by the ccselect tool (which remembers what compiler was used most recently) and activate the compiler.

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and I must say that even without specific OS4 support you can still take advantage of some of the IDE facilities using the "other compiler" option.

Try the suggestion by STRICQ and install GoldED with any 68k gcc and edit user-startip afterwards to disable it. The "other compiler" option doesn't give you gcc specifics: the tool to set gcc options etc.

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Ok therefore I should work around this iussue (If do I buy it from internet is there some exaustive manual in my native language -italian- that explain the principal ways to configure the IDE?)

My Italian is not so good. I don't think I can write a manual with the words I have a deeper undertanding of (basically Ciao, Pizza and Espresso). But you write in English: The English manual should be some help. Unfortunately it's rather short, too. Compiler integration is not explained because it's not supposed to be done by end users.

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Grrr, and what kind of font Do I use with a resolution of 1024x768x32

What's the aggrevation? That's not exactly an unusual resolution. It's about the lowest resolution that makes sense with GoldED and prefectly suitable fonts are included (for higher resolutions, too) and used directly after installation. Can't be bothered to download it?

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Great, looking forward to your mail.

Dietmar,

I get back from my holiday in .ca and found this happy bit of news. I rushed off so fast to buy it last night that I forgot to say "Me too!" in here...



Doug

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Perhaps I should do a short write-up of how I have GoldEd AIX working on my OS4 system. I can't do it right now because I am at work and would have do it from memory, and I think most people would want it to be fully correct. In the end, though, it's really simple. With the way I have it set up now, I just hit F2 to compile. Any errors returned during compilation show up in the Console window and are fully clickable.

I have noticed one problem with GoldEd's error highlighting, but it is not OS4 related, but just a general GoldEd problem. If you have source code in subdirs that are referenced in your makefile from the parent dir, GoldEd can't load the source file if you are already looking at a source file from that directory. Clicking on an error in the Console window causes GoldEd to assemble an incorrect path to the referenced file. Part of the path will be duplicated. I think GoldEd always assumes each source directory will have it's own makefile, which is not the case in one of my projects.

Anyway, have no fear, GoldEd works perfectly fine as an IDE for the OS4 SDK with a very minimum of configuration (edit s:user-startup.) I have not looked at how the GCC Options works, and I don't use it anyway.

As for fonts, why would anyone want to use an anti-aliased font for development??? I use the "Fixed" font in GoldEd, and it is quite perfect at 1280x1024.

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Part of the path will be duplicated. I think GoldEd always assumes each source directory will have it's own makefile, which is not the case in one of my projects

The problem occurs if the compiler specifies (in an error message) a file name with a relative path, such as "error in line 100 in interfaces/mouse.c" or "error in main.c". Which means the file could be anywhere on your system, depending on what is going on in the makefile. In that case GoldED assumes that the path is relative to the current directory, ie. the directory of the loaded text. If it is not, it will not find the file if you click on the error message. Not sure what I can do about that, it seems like a principal problem. I could add more code to guess a location. If GoldED gets a concept of workspaces and projects, guessing the correct file will be easier but ambiguities will remain. The easiest solution would be to change gcc and let it output a fully qualified path.

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The problem occurs if the compiler specifies (in an error message) a file name with a relative path, such as "error in line 100 in interfaces/mouse.c" or "error in main.c". Which means the file could be anywhere on your system, depending on what is going on in the makefile.

Yes, this is exactly the problem. I realize (as a programmer myself) that this winds up with the programmer having to make assumptions in order make any kind of fix. There's not a straight-forward solution. I may change my project to use a makefile per directory in the future, but for now, its only a mild annoyence.

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I went to the website to buy this, it is still 01-14-05 where I live (Chicago) but I see no way to order it with paypal or my credit card.

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