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What a wonderful little contest. The restrictions are a bit steep at first sight but then it will force the devs to really learn OS4 which can only be a good thing in the long run. Code on!

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Is this the time to start learning C? Well I have 9 months to learn C and
to code a major app and/or util needed by the community. NP!

I used to code E but it was a bit different I remember. Especially types
and stuff.

The one coding tons of classes and a GUI Editor for Reaction will surely
win the contast..


/Harry

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@elwood

Are you telling me that Hyperion will release SDK 4.0 for the 68k family so people can start developing softwares for OS 4.0 using WinUAE? Alright..I am in. I will have to wait for SDK 4.0 release though...I can't do anything till then...and I cannot afford to an AmigaOne and I don't want to buy an AmigaOne the big mothership, I want to buy Amiga Fantasy, the keyboard casing like that of Amiga 1200 with a Micro AmigaOne in them.

Great contest! Great idea! I also like the example project. We need USB printer support. Please! Good luck to everyone that enters!

Yogi

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Use OS4 newlib runtime library

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why not clib2?

Yeah, indeed. Seems a bit silly to me. What's so special about the newlib runtime (apart from producing smaller code)?

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Btw, 10 months is far away , lets hope it wont be 10 months with no sw at all (everyone has a contrib for the competetion...)

Toaks, how about contrib a new pic, that one has to go !!

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@Foody Quote: I mean unless hyperion releases SDK 4.0 to be used in GCC under WinUAE Exactly. This will happen so you can start coding right away and when the SDK is available port your project to OS4.

Er, no. The 68k cross compiler stopped at 2.95.3 and is no longer maintained. All we *could* do is a Cygwin compiler, but not a 68k compiler

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Are you telling me that Hyperion will release SDK 4.0 for the 68k family so people can start developing softwares for OS 4.0 using WinUAE? Alright..I am in. I will have to wait for SDK 4.0 release though...I can't do anything till then...and I cannot afford to an AmigaOne and I don't want to buy an AmigaOne the big mothership, I want to buy Amiga Fantasy, the keyboard casing like that of Amiga 1200 with a Micro AmigaOne in them.

Sorry, but no 68k releae is planned. This is mainly because the 68k compiler has not been maintained after the initial gcc 3.4 port was done for OS 4 native, only the cross compilers for Linux/x86, Linux/ppc, Darwin/ppc and Cygwin/x86 have been maintained because it is a hell of a lot easier to build them than maintaining yet another port.

We'll try to get the release of the cross-SDK's sorted out ASAP.

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@Rogue

Ok, but GCC 2.95.3 can be used or is there some reason not to? It should be in the SDK, IMHO. Just stick a warning on it if you think GCC 3 is more appropriate.

About clib2/newlib:
I would like to ask you why do we have shared libraries? When you'll find the answer, you'll understand why "newlib"
I mean libraries are one of the most famous Amiga concept. Why forget it?

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@elwood
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It [gcc 2.95.3] should be in the SDK, IMHO.

I don't think we should burden Hyperion with supporting such an ancient tool. The contest seems to be about new developers and new ideas. New devs most likely have a windoze or linux box anyway. Sure we'll lose a few devs trapped in the 68k era but such is natural selection don't you think?

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We need USB printer support. Please! Good luck to everyone that enters!

A USB printer driver package would be cool, some other things I would like to see...

Scanner software
USB webcam/video chat program
iTunes style program with mp3 playback, ripping and CD burning capabilities
Organiser/diary

Competion seems a good idea. I can't believe people are complaining about the prize, you could always sell on the microA1, if you couldn't find a use for it .

Nice one Elwood!

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@Solie

I don't ask anyone to maintain GCC 2, I just ask to still release it. So that OS3 users can use it.

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@dan.hutch

hehe.. or you could donate the mA1 to me :P

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I don't think we should burden Hyperion with supporting such an ancient tool.

Hello, vbcc, anybody? Unless you must have C++ (vbcc is "just C"), you might want to check it out. vbcc runs on all Amiga/like 68k and ppc platforms and creates executables for os3, os4, powerup, warpos and morphos. The os4 and morphos code generators have been available for months. It runs on 68k, too. vbcc is small and lightweight and fast. It's also much easier as cross compiler: No weird setups maintained by a bunch of different people in various states of development and reliability. I've tested it with the morphos SDK and creating executables for a different platform - let's say on UAE with os3 for morphos - was as easy as 1..2..3. The main reason that there is no 68k-based os4 development environment seems to be that the current SDK is not on public FTP server. And the remedy might be as easy as putting it on such a server. Frankly, it beats my why that hasn't happened nine months ago. Even developers of developer tools (like me, for GoldED) haven't been able to obtain the SDK. The obvious consequence is that OS4 gets less new software than it could get.

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Frankly, it beats my why that hasn't happened nine months ago.

Because, frankly, it means work, and frankly, I am so much overworked that I haven't had a weekend in several months. It just wasn't a priority up to now.

It's not only "putting the thing on a server". This will generate queries that need to be answered, and looking at how far behind I am with my inbox...

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Even developers of developer tools (like me, for GoldED) haven't been able to obtain the SDK.

I have again forgotten to send it to you. Just goes to prove my point

In any case, we hope to put things online this week.

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The page mentions that you can write programs even on 68K as long as the final version runs on OS4. Is there a 68K version of the new Reaction classes?

I'm asking because I'm thinking that, since there aren't any IDEs for OS4 yet, it should be nice to develop the code on any of the Windows, Mac or Linux IDEs and test it on UAE. Once the code is "mostly there", it can be moved over to a real OS4 box for the final tweaks. Once native IDEs exist, this won't be necessary any more.

[EDIT: I realize I can still do this if I copy the binaries to a writable CD after every build and test it on the AmigaOne, or copy it over ethernet to the A1, but with UAE all I need is one of those UAE virtual drives that sits on a folder in the host OS and all my source, binaries and data files would automagically be on both the dev and test machines]

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