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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : The Case for PowerPC
   posted by MikeB on 3-Mar-2005 9:33:27 (4096 reads)
Michael "The Terminator" Rozeboom has written an article for IntuitionBase.com within which he tries to explain why the PPC platform is currently a good choice for AmigaOS4.

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Re: The Case for PowerPC
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I Totally agree with this article


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Me too.
It just seems to be an article that should have been released 4 years ago when everybody was thinking about which route to take: PPC or x86.


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Clear and convinicing, a pleasure to read.


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Re: The Case for PowerPC
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The MC68008 was/is not an 8 bit cpu. It's the same cpu as a normal MC68000 but instead of a 16bit external data path it has an 8 bit one. Internally it uses the same 32 bit data paths and op codes as a normal MC68000.

/Björn

 
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A nice article. The endian part (MSB vs LSB) could use some work as it's not correct and the alignment part seems a bit weird too.

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some errors here as others have said but a general nice read, but can we get a revision 2 ?.

cheers


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A good article that has covered all the reasons for going to PPC.

For the Amiga market to grow, we need more developers and more software for people to run on their new A1 computers. Saying the market is too small, is silly, define small?


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'Small' is where a developer could create an amazing application that sells to a significant portion of the market, and still not manage to cover his costs.


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A nice read. Nothing new but a nice presentation of the choise of PPC over x86.

OT: And every time i go to Intuitionbase i read the story Ryu wrote about OS4 for BPPC. And i dream away once more in miggy land

 
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Hindsight is 20/20


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>Hyperion lacks the resources to test and support X^n combinations of >motherboards

Yes they probebly lack resourses to do that. But they dont support ALL PPC platforms either. They could just as easy build the new platform on intel hw and just make drivers for one chipset. The prices on x86 hw drop faster and that will help get the total price of the computer down.

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Quote:
It just seems to be an article that should have been released 4 years ago when everybody was thinking about which route


This was written back in November, about 90% of it written in about 2 hours (using WordPerfect...), during yet another one of those recurring "why can't I install OS4 onto my 8086/286/386/Pentium" discussions.

The same tired arguments come from the same places all the time.

How much commitment to the Amiga would we see if you could install it on an x86 system?

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Yes they probebly lack resourses to do that. But they dont support ALL PPC platforms either. They could just as easy build the new platform on intel hw and just make drivers for one chipset. The prices on x86 hw drop faster and that will help get the total price of the computer down.


I guess you missed the point.

x86 is a black hole for all those who've attempted to enter the realm of windows with an alternative. How would dealers make money when the real point of the x86 argument is 'installing OS4 on hardware I have today'.

How much would it cost to support x86, and how long are you willing to wait?

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BTW [not so off-topic me thinks]: Does anybody know how many mA1 have been sold ? [or is top secret? ]


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Gee.........thats funny.................I said basically the same thing at another Amiga site, yet everyone disagreed with me.

Basically what this guy is describing........is the next closest thing to an Amiga.........a real Amiga...though i do not consider the AmigaONE to be a REAL Amiga..................wht this guy describes is hopefully what will happen.making it more of a real Amiga.

I totally agree with him. See because Amigas were manufactured by one company and the same company made the OS as Well..................I hope Hyperion, EYETECH, and KMOS merge!

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Quote:
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BTW [not so off-topic me thinks]: Does anybody know how many mA1 have been sold ? or is top secret?


What is this obsession with numbers everyone has?

There must be thousands of uA1s out there, judging from the rate at which I saw them selling when I bought mine. People were lining up to buy them.

But there is one real way to find out. Make an investment in Eyetech. Should be possible for any amount above 1 million UKPounds. Then you can find out.

But please stop asking us, because we don't know.

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@Andre4s

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Yes they probebly lack resourses to do that. But they dont support ALL PPC platforms either. They could just as easy build the new platform on intel hw and just make drivers for one chipset. The prices on x86 hw drop faster and that will help get the total price of the computer down.


The answer given to this, which really should be put in the article, is that you can't get a mobo maker to stand still long enough and not change the chipset. Their update cycles would have them changing their mobo chipset several times a year just to compete with other comodity PC makers. I take it a x86 mobo maker would be slitting their throat producing such a low run board with no upgrades, for as long as it takes to get OS4 going, which has been a few years so far. You also can't get an agreement that they wont change to a completely different graphics chipset either. It would be pretty difficult to keep up. Having a stagnant hardware platform allows OS4 to get done.

Now, with a good explanation as to why we can't go the x86 route, we now need a good explanation why we can't port x86 to Apple hardware like the Mac Mini.....Doah!!! I guess its the same thing really, but it sort of makes the title of the article redundant. I guess Apple not opening their specs is the biggest drawback....but of course Linux got on there....but I guess no-one wants to reverse engineer the drivers.....oh well.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.


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nie ma to, jak poczuc oddech rodaka na plecach

@terminator & all
sorry for my ignorance -haven't tracked too much formus here recently...
[but anyway - somebody could post someday - "we sold 5000 A1s till now" - that could mean something i.e. for so called developers (or some statistics fanatics & other freaks)... ok, no more words in this threadbare thread ]


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Ooops. Seems like I'm the only one here who completely disagrees with the article!

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