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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : AROS update and developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
   posted by NovaBurst on 26-Aug-2005 6:25:43 (5593 reads)
Paul J. Beel has interviewed AROS Developer Adam Chodorowski at the The AROS Show website.

Update: "Michal Shulz has added nForce chipsets network support to AROS, allowing lots of motherboards to be connected directly to a network under our operating system. And in order to simplify our lives, Neil Cafferkey has made ArosTCP compile in every nightly build. From now on, setting up an AROS network will be simplier." AROS status update
    

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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
Posted on 26-Aug-2005 10:42:05
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I don't think we've had any sort of official communication with the AmigaOS 4 developers at all. A few AROS developers have personally discussed with various AmigaOS 4 developers on forums.


Too bad the AROS team didn't take on the AmigaOS4 teams's offer with regard to co-operating on developer tools. At AmiGBG Adam told me any possible co-operation would be dependent on Fabio Alemagna's standpoint with regard to this and judging from what he wrote in public with regard to this topic on several forums, co-operation seems very unlikely at this point.

BTW, Adam was also very positive about AmigaOS4 at AmiGBG.

Monday, August 22, 2005 news item:

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I get the Feelin things are starting to fall in place for it to become a piece of AROS soon.


Interesting.

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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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I hope they get AROS to install on x86 without Linux. I don't wanna learn UNIX just to learn more of AmigaOS.


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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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I bet a LiveCD could be done out of it. Or, Linux kernel could be only loader, as we see in Amithlon. Kernel starts, then AROS. Could be quite transparent for the end user. Maybe I should try to hack it?


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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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Poster: ronaldst Date: 26-Aug-2005 13:20:06
I hope they get AROS to install on x86 without Linux. I don't wanna learn UNIX just to learn more of AmigaOS.

It already does, it´s just a bit complicated at the moment. Live-Cd also exist. You only need Linux if you are going to develop stuff.
Also have a look at
AROS-Max

The main problem is drivers....

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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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Poster: opi Date: 26-Aug-2005 13:57:03
bet a LiveCD could be done out of it. Or, Linux kernel could be only loader, as we see in Amithlon. Kernel starts, then AROS. Could be quite transparent for the end user. Maybe I should try to hack it?

A live-cd for developers? Thats not a bad idea actually.

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@opi

a LiveCD for developers would be welcome

You could use Martin Blom's patches to gcc and allow crosscompiling to MorphOS/AROSx86/AmigaOS3.x68k it may be possible to add Hyperion patches to have an OS4 crosscompiler having then ... OPI'S DEVELOPER CD


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Hmm.. OK, I'll try to see if I'll be able to do it. Good thing's firday.


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Re: AROS developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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Too bad the AROS team didn't take on the AmigaOS4 teams's offer with regard to co-operating on developer tools. At AmiGBG Adam told me any possible co-operation would be dependent on Fabio Alemagna's standpoint with regard to this and judging from what he wrote in public with regard to this topic on several forums, co-operation seems very unlikely at this point.


"To much effort, too little gain." (Read the interview, really.)


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@MikeB

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Too bad the AROS team didn't take on the AmigaOS4 teams's offer with regard to co-operating on developer tools.


Too bad for who?


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@ Itix

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too little gain


I respect their opinion, but I don't actually agree from an outsider perspective. AROS only has a handful (around 40 at max, including small utilities like Diskspeed, icalc, Memeter, etc and simple games like Newmastermind, Lazymines, lmarbles, etc) of software people can use. So that's only a very small fraction of the AmigaOS3/4 software people can use with AmigaOS4.

Every effort which could possible make porting software from OS4 to AROS easier for developers would IMO be an enormous benefit to the AROS project.

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Too bad for who?


For me (and IMO possibly the Amgia community in general), at some point I may want to write a review when I feel AROS matured enough.

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I respect their opinion, but I don't actually agree from an outsider perspective. AROS only has a handful (around 40 at max, including small utilities like Diskspeed, icalc, Memeter, etc and simple games like Newmastermind, Lazymines, lmarbles, etc) of software people can use. So that's only a very small fraction of the AmigaOS3/4 software people can use with AmigaOS4.

Every effort which could possible make porting software from OS4 to AROS easier for developers would IMO be an enormous benefit to the AROS project.


AROS can have any system friendly 3.x software ported to it quite easily, just like OS4 and MorphOS.

OS4 software on the other hand cannot easily be ported to AROS, unified devtools or not, due to the use of Reaction in OS4, and it's new way of coding too.

If OS4 used MUI as it's native toolkit, then it would be a different story, but it doesn't so there's no point in any of us even going down that route that conversation would lead to.


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OS4 software on the other hand cannot easily be ported to AROS


1) AmigaOS4 has a native version of MUI as well. Developers can choose if they want to use MUI or not.

2) AROS doesn't have a native port of MUI available. Only Zune, which aims to be MUI compatible.

3) MUI is just an object oriented system to create and maintain graphical user interfaces. MorphOS uses MUI by default, if it's so hard to then it would be also hard to port software any non-MUI based Amiga software to MorphOS. unlike has been done.

BTW, which MUI software has been ported to AROS?

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This news item is now covered here at OSNews as well.

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Isn't Hollywood a MUI app?


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Hollywood is currently only available for AmigaOS4, MorphOS, AmigaOS3 or WarpOS and does not require MUI. (AROS version is in beta)

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I always thought it was a MUI app like most Amiga programmes.


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I always thought it was a MUI app like most Amiga programmes.


By far most AmigaOS3.x programs do not require MUI at all. Some famous exceptions are listed here. Some programs like YAM, SimpleMail and various Aminet software are not listed.

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Re: AROS update and developer Adam Chodorowski interviewed
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With due respect to the AROS developement team and their product, would it not be more productive if they helped in the developement of OS4 and future updates?

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With due respect to the AROS developement team and their product, would it not be more productive if they helped in the developement of OS4 and future updates?

Would if AmigaOS 4 had the same goals as AROS, namely being Open Sourced...

BTW they can still help, due to the Open Source nature of it (and being APL), this way you just don't have to force one potential AROS developer to buy a machine with the sole porpose of developing for it, unless you expect it not to have a PC, anyhow I would suspect that 'forcing' someone to expend less money to do what it want would qualify as less enforcing, and still hoping to see some software from AROS pound in AmigaOS4 (and MorphOS for that matter), much more then the potential of having AmigaOS 4 ported over to AROS... which is a bad thing IMO, as there should be more reciprocity...

I'm a fiercely defensor that all revolutions come from within, and Aros could might well be that trojan...


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