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Announcement   Announcement : E3B and individual Computers stop selling hardware
   posted by Wiesel on 24-Nov-2005 22:12:14 (2626 reads)
Both companies, who became famous for innovative and powerful hardware expansions for classic Amiga computers, are forced to stop selling hardware until further notice due to changes in German law. No hardware is being shipped within the EU, neither to resellers, nor to direct customers.



According to the national implementation of EU-directive 2002/96/EG into German law (Bundesgesetzblatt 2005 Teil I Nr. 17), every vendor in Germany must be registered with the Stiftung EAR. For vendors from outside Germany, the importer must be registered, in case the vendor himself is not registered in Germany. This law applies to all electronic products that are mentioned in rule EAR 03-011, no matter what country they come from - within or outside the European union.

The new law aims at vendors and importers, who need to take resposibility for the electronic devices if they are discarded at the end of the product's life. Putting electronic devices into circulation without being registered (indicated by a trashcan symbol) is against German law since today, and can be penalized with a monetary fine of up to 50.000,- EUR.

Due to the complicated implementation by German authorities, it's not easy to estimate the consequences and the new obligations created by this law. In addition to that, the extremely high administration effort goes with high fees that must be paid to the Stiftung EAR - especially smaller companies' existance is endangered by the fees that are more than one hundred times higher than the recycling cost itself. individual computers and E3B, who have been developing and producing in Germany for many years, are now evaluating possibilities to comply with the strict rules in a close cooperation, so customers all over Europe can continue to buy top quality products from Germany. Both companies want to act responsible and sustainable in this regard.

Many issues are not yet resolved, therefore both companies cannot continue to deliver hardware to customers and resellers within the European union. Customers outside the EU are not affected by this decision.

We're hoping to proceed with the necessary steps in a timely manner. Unfortunately, the "Stiftung EAR" cannot cope with the bureaucracy created by their own rules, so our registration number is not yet assigned. We are of course interested in continuing to offer innovative products, and will do everything to keep the shortage as short as possible. We're asking for your indulgence for any inconveniences.
    

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Re: E3B and individual Computers stop selling hardware
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Dang! Once again bureaucracy stiffles innovation...


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Re: E3B and individual Computers stop selling hardware
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@amipal

Perhaps "Stiftung EAR" should read as Stifling EAR.

@all German readers of this forum

Please if you will, write to your local members of parliment and see if they can help in any way. It is unfair on small companies like these to have to pay such high costs. This market is small and I can't see them making a fortune from classic Amiga products.

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I wonder what ever happened to the time honored notion that the person who buys the stuff becomes responsible for it?????? To fine any company huge amounts of money because of another, unrelated individual's action is truly unjust.

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That's a real shame!!!!

(Must have a look into it how this applies to my own business)


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unelected euronutters at it again ?


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Here in California we have to pay a small fee to have dead electronic hardware taken away. If the hardware, like a TV, is still in good working order, than I give it to charity. We also have to pay $1 to $10 on electronic equipment as an e-trash fee.


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Sure hope it works out somehow.

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Re: E3B and individual Computers stop selling hardware
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Switzerland isn't part of the European Union, so can't you sell your products over the internet from there?

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Once again ... The German bureaucracy alone is much worse than the EUs alone. Take your bet what happens if both come together ...

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@ Mr.Return

Quote:
Once again ... The German bureaucracy alone is much worse than the EUs alone. Take your bet what happens if both come together ...


Strange - it's usually the UK government who follow the letter of the EU law blindly without thinking through the consequences, and in spite of most of the other EU countries ignoring (or tweaking) the legislation to fit them...

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Crazy eurocrats, eh? Hope that this can be resolved soon!


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Norway is not a member. Let's hope it stays that way.


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Probably the idea of some numpty with a degree in something useful like geography.

No offence to anyone who might have a degree in geography

Chuffin Politically Correctness does my head in.

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Couldn't E3B and Individual Computers sell their stuff to Datakompaniet in norway or Software Hut in USA (it is in USA, right?) which is outside of EU and then let customers buy from/through them instead then?


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Relec in Switzerland can do that also.


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@Antique

So you do you the forum, not just the IRC,

I agree whit you looks like EU is making problems for it self

One thing I hate is the need for "proforma invoice" when sending stuff in and out of the EU,
I hope the partnership agreement Norway signed can be improved.

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