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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
   posted by DaveyD on 29-Nov-2005 9:19:38 (4536 reads)
Some Xbox 360 owners are starting to report problems with their brand new next generation gaming console.

Messages posted to gaming forums and discussion groups mention that consoles have crashed during play thanks to several different errors.


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Re: Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
Posted on 29-Nov-2005 9:24:00
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I was under the impression that the problems lie with the power "brick" overheating.


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Posted on 29-Nov-2005 9:25:03
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This is old news by the way.

It's the power adaptor brick overheating apparently.

Oh...And what does this have to do with us?
Oh yeah!!! Troika.....pay attention.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
We have no weiners!!! And you're worried about poisoned hamburgers.

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Re: Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
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@DaveyD

I know that it's your site, but should this really be a news item???

Also, it's about a week old!


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i can see there is not much to write about these days! if i want to read (old) news about xbox, i visit console-related news sites.

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So do you still want to run OS4 on that piece of crap?

I've used my psychic powers for weeks "Burn Microsoft!!! Burn!!!!"

Hey look it worked.

Ewwww....I truly am Evil.. Mwahaha!!! (evil laugh)

Please don't tell me Hyperion made a deal with MS("a company larger than you can imagine") and that's why Xboxen crash.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
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@all

It is still interesting, at least for me. It is PPC related.


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really, this is sort of good news because when they spotted this problem so early it means that actually people who buy an xbox for xmas doenst have to live with gfx corrupptions or even games locking up in the end of an level or whatever.

i am sure there will be some happy kids aroound the world soon enough though that said i will never buy one as its not my kinda console, i'd rather go for ps3


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Poster: BigBentheAussie Date: 29-Nov-2005 4:52:05

So do you still want to run OS4 on that piece of crap?


Absolutley! It beats the heck outta what's available now. And the ATI graphic processor on the XB360 is almost as fast as the main CPU on the A1.

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Idont want run OS4 on this piece of crap hardware because its impossible because
its microsofts machine, and i dont like microsoft!

i hope to see better specified AmigaPPC Hardware in future like Amy05 but with a bit higher spec example 1.4 Ghz and DDR2
and ati x800xt should be nice for all kind of softwares.

but IM happy already with A1 XE, All i want is more softwares and YES more GAMES
lets push maximum from 800 mhz PPC and we have that we all need for some years towards
correct me if im wrong?


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Re: Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
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And the ATI graphic processor on the XB360 is almost as fast as the main CPU on the A1.


The 360 will be easily as fast as any* desktop machine and on many operations, considerably faster.

The GPU can't do every thing a CPU can do but you'll find it's many times faster than the CPUs on the tasks it can do.


*Top end x86s will beat them on control oriented tasks but you don't need a fast processor for those sorts of tasks.


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This is old news by the way.


Well I didn't know and found it interesting. I don't look at any console sites.


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Re: Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
Posted on 29-Nov-2005 13:23:05
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@Toaks

Yeah, besides Amiga and Dreamcast you never had much taste
Shunning Microsoft in favour of Sony, because MS is evil is like worshipping Satan because worshipping a lesser demon is bad.

There's still One True Hope for the next generation though - and it's coming from neither of the two.

 
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@chunder

Amigaworld.net doesn't just publish Amiga related news, this is why we have a 'Miscellaneous News' section.

Most members here will find news about other systems interesting, especially when its PPC related or news about Microsoft having problems like this


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What with

"a company larger than you can (possibly) imagine"

and

"this is our only hope"... ("no, there is another")

It's like Star Wars all over again, however at this rate this saga is going to be much longer... Is MS the Evil Empire, Apple the scum and villiany at Mos Eisley, and Sony the CIS??? First dibs on the Millenium Falcon!!!

Feel the force!!!

Even though the article is old I still enjoyed reading it. A couple of guys I work with have been getting excited at playing with their new toys. Good luck to them, that is if they are working. When I told the guy who sits opposite me about it his face went white - I think he was one of the mugs who'd spent much more than it's worth trying to get one.


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Posted on 29-Nov-2005 15:14:58
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The 360 will be easily as fast as any* desktop machine and on many operations, considerably faster.

That's not what developers are saying. The general feeling seems to be that the 360 is about 50% as fast as a good x86 machine in terms of CPU throughput, although I've heard complaints that single-threaded banch-heavy code (such as AI routines) actually runs slower on the 360 than it did on the original XBox's 733MHz Celeron.

No doubt developers will get better at tapping the 360's power over time, but I'd still be surprised if it can reach the performance levels of a mid-level PC (say a P4 3.0 or an A64 3000).

Personally I'm much more excited by the Revolution. It's supposed to be using a modified PPC970FX, which will give it serious throughput on most types of code.


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@ Plexus

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Idont want run OS4 on this piece of crap hardware because its impossible because
its microsofts machine, and i dont like microsoft!


Are you aware that if you buy a Xbox 360 and don't buy any games for it you're actually taking money from MS pockets as they sell each console at a loss, it's in games they make their money. If a clever guy can make this baby run Linux it will be an interisting toy to play with, considering the specs and the price. Then all we need is an AOS4OL (Amigaos4 on Linux).

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Micro$oft never got anything 100% right, and don't go and
support Micky$oft by bying one of them boxes, Gates is rich enough as it is.


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Re: Crash reports dog Xbox 360 launch
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Here's an interesting tid bid that I picked up from the book I've been reading for the past few days, "On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore" (a facinating read thus far IMHO), that made me rethink what I originally posted regarding these reports on the XBOX 360, and makes me wonder whether some people at M$ new about these reported issues, but released the units anyway.

I had replied to another post that excused M$ in this by saying that all product launches had issues, by stating that it was innexcusable for a company with as much money and resources invested in such a high profile product as they had in this product to to have launched it just before X-Mas with so may serious issues. I also added that with all of the attention the general media had been giving this, if they also picked up on this, that this would hurt M$ for sure, most likely in that people would hold off on an X-Mas purchase until issues were resolved, perhaps thinking they will to get one eventaully, but not going quite so nuts to get one now, which then would put them closer to the Sony PS3 launch later this year and meaning that people might be willing to wait to see what Sony had to offer before making the commitment with their wallets. Finally, I added that if sales were affected by this, then some heads would definately roll at M$.

I since heard some thoughts from a consumer that had purchased an XBOX 360, ran into this issue, been very dissapointed by it, and had felt his need to warn others seeing as many would probably not find out until X-Mas morning when they openned their gifts. Makin it clear that we wold probably not truely know the extent of the problem with these initial units until after X-Mas.

Then came this revelation from the the book on Commodore regarding the launch of the C64 back in 1982:

"According to Bil Herd, when production lines encountered a shortage of VIC-II schips, technicians went to the bin labeled 'defective chips' and took the sign off it. 'The idea we had was trying to make it stick under the tree,' says Herd. 'Meaning that we could sell all we wanted in December but they came back in January.'" - Page 264, 3rd paragraph.

The next paragraph goes on to mention that some of these early units were responsible for having caused some house fires due to the C64 power supply being overloaded more than they had originally anticipated.

Sound familiar?

Man! This makes me realize even more how all too often these things are rarely "accidents" and how often someone will just do a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether they should take the risk and launch now or wait until the issue is corrected and launch later. The automobile and other industries come to mind with the various scandals around their having known about these issues, but at the end of the day, taking their chances, knowing that the benefit would far outweigh the possible cost in the end, in some cases, even knowing that these might include comsumer safety issues.

I just hope there are no house fires or any loss of life as result of this!


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Boy this should all encourage us to stick behind Hyperion since they will not release till it is all done and working as it should. The only fire Os4 should cause is a fire in everyone to run out and get a copy.

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That's not what developers are saying. The general feeling seems to be that the 360 is about 50% as fast as a good x86 machine in terms of CPU throughput, although I've heard complaints that single-threaded banch-heavy code (such as AI routines) actually runs slower on the 360 than it did on the original XBox's 733MHz Celeron.

No doubt developers will get better at tapping the 360's power over time, but I'd still be surprised if it can reach the performance levels of a mid-level PC (say a P4 3.0 or an A64 3000).


These cores should be plenty fast if you can feed them and avoid the wrong algorithms / data structures. Existing code from a PC will *not* work well.

That's why I added the "*", it will fall down on certain types of algorithms. Also, it's not a single threaded processor and I wouldn't expect it to run single threaded stuff as fast. It's real advantage will be in vector stuff, with 3 enhanced AltiVec / VMX units it should run rings around any x86 in that.

That said the XBox is using a shared memory and that's going to seriously hold back the CPUs.

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Personally I'm much more excited by the Revolution. It's supposed to be using a modified PPC970FX, which will give it serious throughput on most types of code.


I consider a similar core to the XCPU to be much more likely if only because they run cooler. The 970 may be better in some areas but it's weaker in the areas important to games. The Gekko processor Nintendo use in the Game cube is a lot closer to the XCPU than the 970.

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I believe the Amiga made use of linked lists a lot, they are one of the worst algorithms to use now. If the nodes are spread around memory, navigating along the list will leave your processor stalled for long periods, none of the clever tricks a modern processor uses can properly fix this.

All processors will suffer if you use the wrong algorithms but x86 seems to better at hiding them, but not for much longer, this problem is only going to get worse as memory latency increases.


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