Not having English as my first language, I'd like to know if the phrase "... have crashed during play thanks to several different errors" is really that well put?

Isn't "because of several different errors" more suitable? (from my point of view, saying "thanks to" implies a positive outcome whereas "because of" suggests a negative cause).

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Not having English as my first language, I'd like to know if the phrase "... have crashed during play thanks to several different errors" is really that well put? Isn't "because of several different errors" more suitable? (from my point of view, saying "thanks to" implies a positive outcome whereas "because of" suggests a negative cause).

LOL

So would I have thought also but then I remembered this concerned Microsoft
so "thanks to" is more correct then.

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You are correct that "because of" or "due to" would be more appropriate than "thanks to", but both versions are grammatically correct.

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Isn't "because of several different errors" more suitable? (from my point of view, saying "thanks to" implies a positive outcome whereas "because of" suggests a negative cause).

not in u.s. slang "thanks" is also a negative word.

example you recieve a gift you don't like you can then say "gee thanks" and nobody will know the difference unless they hear how you say it.

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where is the report button when you need it???... is there anyway to report this daveyd guy for site abuse??. this news is old and it is crystal clear that this poster who call him self daveyd want to spread fud about the xbox360... and you gotta ask your self what the heck do this article have to do with amiga??... hopefully the web master will deal with this daveyd guy, and give him a warning or ban from the site....

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@d0c

I find your sarcasm amusing but you really should use a different smiley to indicate sarcasm. If you weren't being sarcastic and hadn't seen it earlier, DaveyD IS the webmaster and reporting him will get you nowhere.

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That's not surprising, as I never saw a first version of any MS product that worked right out of the box!
They say, it's always the third edition which works more or less OK!

OTOH MS just wanted to be the first to ntroduce the new game console... but we all know what happens if one is in hurry.

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Report:

I want to report d0c for a semi amusing sarcasm and for using the wrong sort of smiley when expressing it!

I would I also like to report him for not reading the thread thoroughly enough to make said sarcasm more sarcastic!

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While it's not excusing Microsoft people shouldn't forget that other companies have these sorts of issues.

Sony PS2 -- the first shipments had issues with DVD playback and some users reported problems with backwards compatibility. Sept of this year Sony issued a recall for almost 1 million AC adapters on the thin line PS2. Some users have reported that the PS2 has durability issues. Newer thinline PS2s don't play all PS2 games.

Nintendo - Released a newer memory card and some older games were incompatible. Some users reported overheating issues.

Then there's a company with a hardware product that for some users has failed processors and other pieces and is out of warranty before they've released a full non-beta OS.. Any guesses? (It's rhetorical)....

Industry analysists claim there's a 2-3% unit failure rate on the first batch. (That's not Microsoft's numbers I haven't seen them.) Not good but not horrible. Also, it seems some people damaged games by moving the console from verticle to horizontal while the game was playing -- not a good idea and I'd assume the manual would warn about this.

Really the greater failure appears to be lack of stock. If Sony could press the PS3 into Spring Microsoft might have to eat some crow.

Indeed, problems of this nature are common. The zealots laughing at MS would do well to remember that Commodore was far, far worse in terms of quality. Remember little incidents like the entire first production run of PAL A1200s being faulty?

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"... have crashed during play thanks to several different errors" is really that well put?

Perfectly legal american english. It's a sarcastic reference.
"Thank you for making such a horrible thing."
Though you would never really say thank you for such a bad thing.
The other options maybe more grammatically correct, but don't have the literal effect.
Now that I've probably confused the issue even more...

Plaz

Poor Bill....

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Poster: tomazkid Date: 30-Nov-2005 3:42:50 Poor Bill....

Indeed.

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Now that I've probably confused the issue even more...

Yeah, thanks a bundle.

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When a business has these problem consumers look at how the businesses respond to the situation... So what has Microsoft done?

On the Microsoft website are some bulletins of Xbox360 issues and what the end user can do. This allows people to quickly help to assess if a minor change or a return of the system is needed. If a return is needed Microsoft overnights the end user a box w/ shipping paid, the user sticks the system in, drops it off and Microsoft is promising a 5 day return of a working system.

I haven't seen if this has worked as stated for anyone yet... Something to watch but it seems that the policy is to get working systems out as quick as possible. Obviously, there are none in the store so an end-user can't exchange it.

Kinda funny how forum posts about new pegasos boards gets deleted, while xbox news is posted as news! Xbox has even less to do with amiga than pegasos.

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It's real advantage will be in vector stuff, with 3 enhanced AltiVec / VMX units it should run rings around any x86 in that.

Not with cache sensitive code, out-of-order vector, double FP vector and dependant on the break down of SSE targeted units in a particular micro-architecture implementation.

The breakdown K8’s SSE/3DNow units;
2X FADD SSE FP, (X2) 4X FADD SSE FP.
1X FMUL SSE FP, (X2) 2X FMUL SSE FP.
1X FADD SSE2 FP, (X2) 2X FADD SSE2 FP.
1X FMUL SSE2 FP, (X2) 2X FMUL SSE2 FP.
1X FMISC, (X2) 2X FMISC.
2X 3DNow FP |, (X2) 4X 3DNow FP.
3X Integer ADD/MUL (SSE/MMX**), |, (X2) 6X Integer.

**translated and retargeted.

Horizontal SSE3 instructions breakdown is unknown atm (for Stepping E K8s).
K8’s 17 stage FP pipeline is shorter than PPE’s 21 stage pipeline i.e. refer to instruction completion/retirement issue.

The limiting factor for K8 core is the 3-way macro-op instruction issue and certain instructions being in Direct Double Path (decoder) and Vector Path (decoder) not in Direct Single Path (aka Fast Path) (decoder). **Keep in mind these triple decoders can decode a total of 9 macro-op instructions (peek). In the case of integers, each macro-op instructions is fused up to two instructions (one RISC op must an address type).

VMX-128 registers in Xenon's PPE has completely removed register renaming scheme i.e. this is now done in software. In Pentium IV, 128 FP registers is being managed by hardware**, but with PPE’s VMX-128; the control is done by software.

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All processors will suffer if you use the wrong algorithms but x86 seems to better at hiding them, but not for much longer, this problem is only going to get worse as memory latency increases.

Not if X86 CPU vendors keep on improving pre-fetch mechanisms, implements/improve pipeline replay mechanisms, improvements in OOO , growing the L2 cache, moving more instructions decoding into fast path decoder and improvements with complier technology (Intel and PathScale).

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