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Announcement   Announcement : AmigaWorld Forum Changes and Additions
   posted by wegster on 11-Jan-2006 7:58:12 (8166 reads)
AmigaWorld has evolved and grown over past years, and has become one of the more popular sites for Amiga users. Like the classic Amigas themselves, 'Amiga' means different things to different people. For some, it may include Amiga-like or compatible systems, while others prefer the officially endorsed solutions.

AmigaWorld was founded as a site in support of the official Amiga branded solution, AmigaOS4, as it's primary goal, in the midst of much disagreement and arguments within the scattered community. While the primary goal has not changed, time has, and we have seen a widening of our membership base, and hopefully each of us as individuals as well.


We are making some changes to the forum layouts in order to serve our members better, not only now, but for the future as well. We previously opened the formerly closed AmigaOne Hardware Owners forum, and now have instituted the following changes:

Official AmigaOne Forums
|-- AmigaOne Hardware
|-- AmigaOne Linux
|-- AmigaOne OS4

is now:


PowerPC Amigas
|-- Amiga OS4.x \ Workbench 4.x - Discussion of AmigaOS4 itself, OS4 drivers, etc.
|-- Amiga OS4 Software - Discussion of applications for AmigaOS4.
|-- Amiga OS4 Hardware - Discussion for hardware running AmigaOS4
|-- Amiga PPC Linux - Discussion of Linux running on AmigaOS4 capable hardware

As other hardware solutions may become available, they need a new home, and may not be 'AmigaOne' systems. The content and guidelines of these forums will remain as they have been.

The 'Classic Discussion' forum has been split into 'Classic Amiga Hardware' and 'Classic Amiga Software,' and the 'Amiga General' category remains for anything not so easy to classify.

Additionally, a new forum, for 'Amiga-Like Systems,' named 'Alt Amiga OS,' has been added to the general Amiga Discussion category. This new forum will cover any of the unofficial Amiga compatible or similar systems, such as AROS and MorphOS. The AW staff are aware of differing views of the members and within the staff. Therefore the 'Alt Amiga OS' threads will not display in the front page, but will show via the 'Latest Posts.' link

Note that the primary purpose behind AW has not changed; we retain a focus on AmigaOS4 at this site. This does not in any way, shape or form, however, change the site policies, specifically those pertaining to TOS on Trolling, Baiting and Flaming. Measures will be taken as nescessary against those that would prefer to destroy or hurt versus contribute, regardless of which forums such acts may occur in.

We acknowledge that this move may cause some issues or feelings for some, but we would ask you to remember this- it is our hope that this change may bring about better communications between the different communities, and perhaps one day we will all simply be 'Amigans, one and all' again.

We had a few unexpected issues in dealing with the changes, so some posts and forums were inaccessible briefly. These should now be corrected; however please post in the Website Feedback forum or PM staff in the event you notice any issues.
    

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Re: AmigaWorld Forum Changes and Additions
Posted on 11-Jan-2006 8:43:46
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Sweet! May this day be long remembered as... well, I don't know what. I'll give it two thumbs up anyway!

Now, lets all play nice!

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Well done AW.net staff


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I agree. This seems like the right decision...


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Additionally, a new forum, for 'Amiga-Like Systems,' named 'Alt Amiga OS,' has been added to the general Amiga Discussion category. This new forum will cover any of the unofficial Amiga compatible or similar systems, such as AROS and MorphOS.


Seems, ann.lu, morphzone.org, morphos-news.de, amiga.org, moobunny.org and pegasos.org wasn't enough for "Amiga-Like systems"...
In my opinion this is a bad move for us and a good step for flamewars.

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@Chip, Atheist and all Pro AmigaOS Members.

Hopefully these changes will put an end to the constant battles we have had here of late.

Now MorphOS and AROS users have their own forums to post their comments, it should mean that hopefully there will be less animosity on the site throughout. Amigaworld remains a PRO Amiga OS website, but now MOS/AROS users have their own area to express their opinions.

From my personal point of view, I will not be going anywhere near the Alternative Operating Systems forums. Whatever goes in there, I don't wanna know, as long as I am not the target, I'll leave it well alone.

In future, should a MOS/AROS thread appear in the inappropiate forum, it will be moved by a member of staff to the correct forum.

Having said that, any Amigaworld member (being as rabid a red as myself) who goes into the MOS/AROS forums and stirs up trouble will be dealt with according to the T&C's

In short, please don't antogonise each other.

Mikey C

EDIT: If any of my fellow Pro Amiga OS Amigaworld members have any issues with the changes please let me know either via PM or via the amigaworld IRC channel. I will be happy to discuss it.

Last edited by Mikey_C on 11-Jan-2006 at 09:19 AM.
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Now MorphOS and AROS users have their own forums


They already had 6(!) forums (sites) what I've mentioned in my previous post. Don't you think it's enough for them?

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From my personal point of view, I will not be going anywhere near the Alternative Operating Systems forums. Whatever goes in there, I don't wanna know, as long as I am not the target, I'll leave it well alone.


That's why you are not registering to "amiga-like sytem" websites and flushing AmigaOS4/AmigaOne promoting posts. That's natural.... for us.

Last edited by Chip on 11-Jan-2006 at 09:10 AM.

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@Chip

Please give it a go ok?

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Please give it a go ok?


I cannot do anything else. I can just write down my opinion.

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excellent. hopefully this will stop the arguements between factions


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I want an Atari forum!

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Hopefully these changes will put an end to the constant battles we have had here of late.


If these changes put an end to "constant battles" (wherever ppl see them), I will appreciate it.
If these changes put an end to "open discussions" about topics such as OS4, I will regret it.

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Amigaworld remains a PRO Amiga OS website, but now MOS/AROS users have their own area to express their opinions.


So where do MOS/AROS users express their opinions about OS4 then? In the forum for "Alternative Operating Systems"? Sorry, but this is a serious question and not meant as a cheeky comment.

In my regard, the critical point is rather which opinions are allowed in the different forums, not only how they are arranged. As an example, are people allowed to post their opinion on OS4 on the OS4 forums although they might probably differ from the majority on AWN?
Provided that these opinions are, as usual, stated in a well-thought and civil manner, are such views allowed on OS4 forums? So, in brief, is open discussion (in relation to opinions, not topics) allowed on ALL forums, or ONLY in the "Alternative" forum?
As I can see from the official announcement, they are allowed on all forums, since the TOS did not change.

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In short, please don't antogonise each other.


I second that. "We share one common ground, we are all Amiga users! Respect other opinions, even though you may not agree. "


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This sounds like a good step forward. But if these changes are abused, then I expect AW.net to become an OS4-only site. So play nice guys!


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In my regard, the critical point is rather which opinions are allowed in the different forums, not only how they are arranged. As an example, are people allowed to post their opinion on OS4 on the OS4 forums although they might probably differ from the majority on AWN?


If the comments are not clueless, yes.
IMHO.

However, whole threads of comparisons between Amiga-like systems should go into alt I'd say.

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I was bit amazed ;)

I dont think this mean AmigaWorld is turning (morphing?) to MorphOSWorld. The MorphZone is still right place to solve Radeon 3D problems or ask for CISC's GCC.

Same goes for AROS with their aros-exec forum.


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Good luck with the changes, will be interesting to see how it turns out.


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So where do MOS/AROS users express their opinions about OS4 then? In the forum for "Alternative Operating Systems"? Sorry, but this is a serious question and not meant as a cheeky comment.


Valid question, but will depend on context, and some discussion with staff is likely going to contiue around this point. An OS4 user has already asked for some MOS related benchmarks in the Alt Amiga section, which is likely where that will stay. I myself posted some ram benchmarks and got input from Peg owners in the past, and I think that was in the OS4 forum. Things of that nature were meant to essentially 'see what there is to see,' rather than to troll, bait, or aggravate the membership of the site, and I see no reason for that to change, let alone become 'harsher' somehow.

Not every thread that mentions AROS or MOS is meant to be 'brushed off' into the Alt Amiga forum, and that is not in any ways the intention. However, there are likewise some threads that are focused much moreso on AROS or MOS, which do 'cleanly' belong in the new forum.

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Provided that these opinions are, as usual, stated in a well-thought and civil manner, are such views allowed on OS4 forums? So, in brief, is open discussion (in relation to opinions, not topics) allowed on ALL forums, or ONLY in the "Alternative" forum?
As I can see from the official announcement, they are allowed on all forums, since the TOS did not change.


Your question above outlines very closely my thoughts on this move.

Trolls of any color need not apply, as they will be dealt with, but sane discussion, and yes, arguments (it is a collection of discussion forums after all!), are to be expected, as long as they are kept within the boundaries of the TOS and general manners (which is what a large part of the TOS is) are kept.

There will likely be some mistakes made along the way as well. I made more than one in the forum re-org personally from a technical standpoint, let alone from a Moderation standpoint. We'll have to play it by ear a bit, and adjust if nescessary as we go. Having said that, the goal is to expand discussions, not limit it artifically, as well as hopefully learning how to better get along.

In the end, the AW users, old and new, play a large part of what happens with this. Those with very short fuses or tolerance may find it simpler to 'not participate' if they are unable to carry on a construtive discussion or debate on some subjects, or be themselves in violation of the TOS, and be dealt with as required. On the other hand, a large number of the userbase seems to already handle itself increasingly well in discussions that not long ago would have needed to be locked a relatively short period ago. So it does seem possible that many of us can manage to even disagree and argue on occasion without things becoming personal....so maybe there's some shred of hope for tolerance in the community after all.

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But then we'd have to call the site AmigaAtariWorld.net


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dont think this mean AmigaWorld is turning (morphing?) to MorphOSWorld. The MorphZone is still right place to solve Radeon 3D problems or ask for CISC's GCC.

Same goes for AROS with their aros-exec forum.


Exactly. MorphZone and AROS-exec provide their primary focuses on their respective OSes, and do so better than AW would hope to. I haven't spent much time on aros-exec, but MorphZone is an excellent site, and both certainly provide more 'vital information' on MOS and AROS than AW is likely ever to.

That doesn't mean, however, that there can't be discussion, or that all of the AW userbase is completely uninterested in learning about those OSes, or that users from each site just might have something to share, or learn from, people who have made different choices than their own.


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As you're doing a re-design... What about the [Search] Functioanlity ?
Maybe a button instead of a link ?
And closer to the top would be nice to have...

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I just noticed that the Signature is not display in a News-Item ?

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