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   posted by hnl_dk on 16-Sep-2006 15:09:56 (6083 reads)
and edited (logon - logoff removed) IRC log from the Hyperion IRC Q + A is available at AmigaOS.dk.
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Re: IRC log from the Hyperion IRC Q + A
Posted on 16-Sep-2006 18:15:39
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Shouldnt it be called "OS4 Main Developers IRC Q+A" rather than "Hyperion" - as they seem to be two different things these days...

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There's also an edited log


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extra: html version by "Nuno Vasco" aka "pixie"


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@Benji
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Shouldnt it be called "OS4 Main Developers IRC Q+A" rather than "Hyperion" - as they seem to be two different things these days...

I guess that it should, but I took the name from the Big Bash website.


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Re: IRC log from the Hyperion IRC Q + A
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Thanks for this guys, its nice to know whats going on.

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Re: IRC log from the Hyperion IRC Q + A
Posted on 16-Sep-2006 18:33:21
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Can't even say how lucky we are to have 2 guys like this working on AmigaOS. Thinking back on all the ways AmigaOS could have gone, all the failed plans, failed hardware, I think in the end it couldn't have worked out any better. Thanks Rogue and EntilZha!!

My one real question about the IRC log is this comment:
About OS5: No, I don't know anything. We have been contacted by Amiga some two months ago. They asked us if we would be willing to write the OS5 kernel fro them...

Is it unusual to work on an OS for 2 years without a kernal being written yet? I know very little about OS design so it seems odd to me.

Thanks again guys!

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Guys, didn't MacEwen state that OS5 is in development for 2 years? Then Rogue states that quite recently, AI asked him to build the OS5 kernel. What kind of development is AI doing without even a working kernel?!?




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u got me for nanoseconds!

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As for the kernel thing.. It's possible for a design phase to take 2 years...

Even so they could have started work on a Kernel of their own, but it may be fundamentaly flawed and they're looking for some redevelopers...

But it's good to see that things are going on nicely and that there is a good hope for hardware releases soon :D

Roll on xmas!


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It's also possible that they've been developing stuff temporarily using the 3.1 kernel, and now reached the point where they want to use their own one. Who's got the most expertise?

This is good news though: it means that OS5 is probably going to be a "real" AmigaOS like OS4, MOS and AROS, and not a Linux distro or anything else! w00t!

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Re: IRC log from the Hyperion IRC Q + A
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Is it unusual to work on an OS for 2 years without a kernal being written yet? I know very little about OS design so it seems odd to me.


LOL

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Which ones are lying and telling the truth? Come back next week for more exciting Amiga branded conflicting drama.


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Is it unusual to work on an OS for 2 years without a kernal being written yet? I know very little about OS design so it seems odd to me.

I find this puzzling as well... I guess maybe he meant 2 months?

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I haven’t posted here in years. I’m one one of those classic Amiga owners who doesn’t boot up that often and occasionally comes on this site because my curiosity. Having read both this chat with Hyperium and Amiga’s recent Q&A I thought I’d log in and make a comment (it’s been a few years).

It seems that there are legal issues that need to be sorted out before anything progresses (if it ever actually does)--nothing new in a sense. Some of you who made the choice (and had the patience) to jump in with the Amiga One have suggest that the best thing is for things to continue as is, with Hyperium never actually releasing OS4 and perhaps no future ports or hardware upgrades. My perspective is that there are some of us who are on the sidelines and wouldn’t even think of buying a new Amiga without new hardware and an official OS release. You can put up a number of arguments to convince us, but some people don’t have the inclination, time, or money to invest in a new computer without a certain amount of security. That's just something to think about. If I was primarily a hobbiest or a collector, the story would be different, which is not to criticize anyone who has an Amiga One and loves it.

So, I’m just poking my head in here to say that it may be painful in the short run, but unless Amiga and Hyperium get their act together and actually accomplish some of what they claim to want to accomplish, there are those of us who will continue to watch from the sidelines. However, I do have to say that it is good to see so many people still passionate about the Amiga.

BTW. My take on Amiga's "two years of development" is just that... two years of Amiga development; it's something that exists in its own temporal dimension.

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@Tomas:
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Is it unusual to work on an OS for 2 years without a kernal being written yet? I know very little about OS design so it seems odd to me.

I find this puzzling as well... I guess maybe he meant 2 months?

There's no special reason why you couldn't actually be working on other modules of the OS than the kernel for two years. Something similar happened at the start of OS4 development, although I don't remember it being as long as that. But it could still have worked if it was. The only thing it requires is that those other OS modules you write first, have to be compatible with a previously existing, working kernel, so you can test them. In fact, that kernel doesn't even need to be running on the same platform, or even on the platform it -- and the rest of the OS -- is written for, since you could use emulation for developing and testing until quite late in the process.

Note, I'm speaking theoretically here, I do share your scepticism in this particular case. For one thing, most of the good Amiga developers that are still active, are already busy either in the red or the blue camp, so where would they have found the manpower that they are talking about?

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@Nihilvor:
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wouldn t even think of buying a new Amiga without new hardware and an official OS release.

Well, a new Amiga without new hardware ... I guess I wouldn't buy that either

And as for an official OS release; it wouldn't be of much use to anyone except the current A1 owners if they didn't wait for the new hardware to appear. And as the current A1 owners already have something running that is roughly equivalent to what an official release last year would have been like ...

You say you need security. Well, of course, in that case by all means stick to what you are using now; security and cutting edge (not to mention "hopefully future cutting edge") rarely accompany each other. My neighbour is still driving his twenty-five years old Lada, waking up the whole neighbourhood every morning when he starts it and has to run the engine at a high rev for a long time to warm up that colossus of an old engine block. But it never fails to start.

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unless Amiga and Hyperium get their act together and actually accomplish some of what they claim to want to accomplish

No comment about Amiga and their claims and acts, but as for Hyperion (and it's Hyperion, not Hyperium, BTW), you really don't know what you are talking about. You have obviously never actually seen or used OS4. Hyperion definitely have accomplished a lot of what they have claimed to want to accomplish, plus a good deal more. Get your a** over to the nearest/earliest user group meeting or other event and get your hands on an A1 at your earliest convenience, then come back here and tell us about Hyperions accomplishments. Please.

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It is always a delight reading the comments of these two and an inspiration. Thanks guys, you two are brilliant and so is the whole team.

Fingers crossed on the hardware, hope everything rolls out as expected.

The PS3 possiblities! Now that is something, but it sounds like any work on that is slated for the future, I was hoping against hope that it might be closer, but never mind the interest in this piece of hardware is obviously there and that counts for a lot.

I believe that PS3 may be OS4's best bet for a much wider market. I mean that the average PS3 owner wanting some computer usage, OS4 would be a superb choice. Just on the Amiga name alone, thousands of copies would be sold, and knowning OS4 that number would increase once people started again using it in their homes and showing their friends.

That is the market I hope that will bring AmigaOS into the center of things again, and it provides room for our hardware as well.


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As regards your first paragraph, that is the sort of response that I anticipated. I’ve noted over the years how people react to those who say that they are reluctant to get in on an operating system that is in a perpetual pre-release mode, etc. Normally, it's understandable as those posters are ussually just being jerks. I understand the argument. Your argument is rational and I have no intention of restating the numerous reasons that some types of users would be weary of such a purchase (granting available hardware). There are still many Amiga "fans" who won't put money down with the current state of things. My whole point is that there are many of us on the sidelines, and I wanted to get my two cents as a non-user.

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No comment about Amiga and their claims and acts, but as for Hyperion (and it's Hyperion, not Hyperium, BTW), you really don't know what you are talking about. You have obviously never actually seen or used OS4. Hyperion definitely have accomplished a lot of what they have claimed to want to accomplish, plus a good deal more. Get your a** over to the nearest/earliest user group meeting or other event and get your hands on an A1 at your earliest convenience, then come back here and tell us about Hyperions accomplishments. Please.


Here you are just making a lot of assumptions about me. I’m actually not ignorant of what Hyperion (yes, I spelled the name wrong, sorry) has done or about all of the legal, financial, and political factors involved. I was simply giving the forum the perspective of someone who was a big advocate for the Amiga, but who doesn’t have the sort of time or interest to devote to developing software or going to user meetings.

Not all of us live similar lives. I have no interest in getting into a debate or pissing contest and was simply stating that there are Amiga (classic) users (in my case, someone who was interested in the Amiga for my creative pursuits--thus as far from a “hacker,” “power user,” “or hobbiest” as can be) who still watch from the sidelines and would purchase a machine if things were different. So if you were simply trying to be constructive, you have my thanks.

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If OS5 isn't an OS developed by Hyperion and the rest of the OS4 coders im not interested. ;) It could be linux/windows alike whatever. Well see. Maybe its just an fart in the air like some people say here on AW.

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@Nihilvor
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My whole point is that there are many of us on the sidelines, and I wanted to get my two cents as a non-user.

You make a good point and I know several people just like you. You'll buy a finished system but you don't want any hassles and you don't want to take big risks unlike the early adopters like myself.

Let's hope complete systems will be made available that will bring thousands of users like you back to have some fun again. I know I would appreciate seeing some new(er) faces in the forums et al.


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