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With all these Macs hitting the market at very low cost and Moana available, then the amount of Amiga users could increase dramatically.

Indeed.
Alltough i don't know very well how moana works.
Whre can i get some info on this?

I own a powermac dp g5, will it run Os4????

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As with earlier versions of OS X, I expect there will be a hack available to let you run it on unsupported Macs before too long.

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Like this one: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20051211074138859

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This is currently just a rumour from what i have heard. There have been people with the dev version that claimed that it installed just fine on 800mhz macs..

Didn't thought they still released new versions for PPC-Macs at all.

Too slow on MacOS ?.... They want more buyers to new HW ;) man get this hardware to amigapeople and kick AOS4 on it ;)

@Kicko

Apple wants the system is usable! 800Mhz in Mac World means 4-5 years ago. It is very low level requirements for dream system like Leopard.

Tiger is very fast (even 3d windows) on my G4 400Mhz


Leopard would runs probably on a 600Mhz G4, but a usable system is another thing and 800Mhz is very minimal and gfx thing is another issue, an 800Mhz G4 can't have a modern gfx card and all the system and third party programs rely on core image and core video to apply effects, filters...

And it is not about eye candy. But usability and possibility, for example WOW on MAcs can save mp4 video in realtime during playing... why? Because the OSX itself does.

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Due to the fact that these machines will be no more suitable for future MacOS versions

Excuse me but why would anyone want OS upgrades? When looking at it in larger context Safari does not run better or faster on newer OS revisions.

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Didn't thought they still released new versions for PPC-Macs at all.

10.5 is dropping support for G3s and sub-800MHz G4s. Rumour has it that 10.6 will drop support for G4s completely, and 10.7 will drop support for G5s.

@ikir

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Leopard would runs probably on a 600Mhz G4, but a usable system is another thing

Exactly. I'm sure that 10.5 will install fine on a sub-800MHz system, but I'm not sure anyone would enjoy it that much.

Buy cutting it off at 800MHz, it means that none of the general users will have a crappy user experience on Leopard, and those who do hack it will know what to expect.

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This is currently just a rumour from what i have heard.

Indeed.

From what I can gather, it's not just down to the CPU. It's down to the RAM architecture attached to it. IIRC, the 867mhz G4s used DDR SDRAM, which is much faster than what's used by the older machines.

As an aside, I know there isn't much Amiga news floating about at the moment, but this is really stretching the definition...

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I wonder if it will run under MacOnLinux on our A1s.

Varthall

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Finally someone who get it!
I myself think that things would be no better if Apple had the same marketshare as microsoft currently have. In many ways Apple is actually worse.. Look at how ipod is locked to itunes, iphone is locked to a certain network, osx locked to mac, their constant sabotage to stop people from running alternative OSes on their macs and so on..

It's not as if AmigaOS4 isn't tied to AmigaOne now is it?

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This is currently just a rumour from what i have heard. There have been people with the dev version that claimed that it installed just fine on 800mhz macs..

Well, I've seen Leopard running on G4 700MHz. Some of the graphical effects are little sluggish, but usually every new OS X have been faster than previous releases even on older machines. My own original iMac Bondi Blue with G4 400MHz upgrade has always got little performance boost up to 10.4.10, even though it has been long unsupported. 10.5 might be first exception to this.

However I think that even G4 700MHz might perform better with 10.5 than with 10.4.10 if some effects (mainly that reflection-effect in the dock) are disabled on normal desktop usage.

Current installers of OSX check for "illegal" logic boards and CPU speed under 867MHz. This causes older PowerMacs to be unsupported with 10.5 even when running CPU upgrades at 867MHz or over. However, as the installation script is just a text file, these limitations can be easily removed by editing the file.

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Could someone please tell me what Moana is?

IS it OS4 for PPC Macs?. Is it available?

Even a quick PM if someone could?

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The Mac owners I know barely even know what version of OSX they have - nor do most care, it just works, they are happy and they carry on working.

I very much doubt that there is going to be a sudden glut of cheap Mac hardware because of this - even if it was true.

The Core technology that powers 10.5 is very much more advanced than in 10.4 and has many more features. The technology demands not only a strong CPU, but also fast RAM, and a good graphics card. Older Apple PowerPC machines are crippled by really bad graphics cards (Rage 128 anyone??!) on a 2x AGP bus, PC133 or PC100 RAM and overcrowded PCI controllers. All of these will not allow the features Leopard is being released for to prosper. At each stage Apple must draw a line somewhere and typically it is at a technological watershed of some kind, it just happens that this one was the next relevant one along the line.

10.0.x/10.1.x (generally considered to be one generation) required a G3 or faster
10.2.x removed altogether any support for 60x CPUs (it was left in 10.0.x and 10.1.x but never used)
10.3.x required a 'New World' Mac
10.4.x removed support for the New World Macs with 'issues' like the original Bondi iMac, it also required a DVD drive although CDs were available for the bloody minded.

From that point onwards little changed apart from the speed of CPUs. At about the PowerMac G4/867 or 1GHz they started pushing much improved graphics cards and DDR RAM, which will likely be where Apple are aiming the lowest common denominator for 10.5.

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their constant sabotage to stop people from running alternative OSes on their macs and so on..

I don't know what you have been smoking but on that particular note you may have missed a little thing called 'Bootcamp' which actually HELPS people run XP and Vista on an Intel Mac? Also the boot support on new Macs supports fully ANY OS that wants to boot via EFI or a conventional BIOS. Not all work, but the feature is at least there in theory, and many mainstream OSs do work very well. Even the NewWorld PowerPC machines used industry standard IEEE 1275 OpenFirmware so weren't *that* hard to get alternative OSs running on. I run Xubuntu PPC on my G4/500. You have your facts very wrong there I think....

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the betas run fine on a 466mhz g4 digital audio with 512mb pc133 memory and a Geforce 3. its missing some of the fancy graphic effects though coz the GF3 doesnt support them but when i flash the bios on the geforce 5200 and install it everything will be lovely

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I don't know what you have been smoking

Yup i agree

Cmon if M$ is the "evil" it doens't mean Apple is the same. I want to remmeber that Apple help open source, consolidate free standars, and for every "limitation" they give to users there is always a motivation not like M$ crap.

If you know a little of computer hystory you can't say APple is the same a M$, Jobs can be a mad fanatic, but it is not a liar and thief like Gates.

It is the same "Apple is the evil" form people who doesn't know anything of Apple.

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Well sounds like Apple is headed down the same path as MicroSoft. Funny how a Mac is only a Mac because of an OS now, and Now requirements are more than Windows Vista Enterprise's min requirements. So much for MAC being that much better. Don't get me wrong I am not Anti-mac nor am I anti Windows (I own plenty of both), I just love my Amiga's.

Cheers