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Events   Events : Launch of OS3.9 and AmigaDE demo at ACE2K
   posted by Slick on 24-Jan-2008 14:36:10 (8648 reads)
This is probably Bill's most detailed demo and explanation of AmigaDE (now known as OS5)... it worked then.. it has been refined since

These video's include a demo of AmigaDE and explanation of how it works (a tiny virtual processor is written so that the software always sees the same hardware)... this is why the software is so portable and powerful.

Read more...



The software can be run either hosted on another OS or natively:

The video was shot in 2000 at ACE (Amiga Computer Expo) 2000 in Melbourne Victoria Australia where ~1000 people attended.

Part is shot at the show and part at the dinner and quiz night which ~100 people attended.

Disk 2/3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6211539973704687513

The official launch of OS3.9 and more discussion on AmigaDE (what is now known as OS5)

Disk 3/3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=7857204396743217394

Disk 1/3 has been damaged but we hope someone will come forward with it.

Michael was one of the organisers of ACE2000 and spent a fair bit of time with Bill McEwan. He also saw private demo's of AmigaDE made to journalists. Most Amigans have never had the opportunity to see these demo's.
    

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Re: Launch of OS3.9 and AmigaDE demo at ACE2K
Posted on 24-Jan-2008 17:17:14
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I'm sure I've seen some of this before, but I'll have a proper look later. Bill was 'slagging off' other people for making announcements with very little substance back then.

It's still all a bit contradictory.

Steve

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Re: Launch of OS3.9 and AmigaDE demo at ACE2K
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UAE has a virtual processor so the software always sees the same hardware This is why Classic Amiga OS3.x software is so portable and powerful.


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LLVM has a bigger virtual processor than the others and optimizes its code better. LLVM is also BSD licensed open source freeware unlike AmigaDE.

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Refined? You've got to be joking......AmigaDE failed in 2000 and it's just a re-packaged failure now....more of the same tripe from McEwan fan-boys.....The term "OS5" is just marketing double-speak.

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UAE is open source freeware unlike AmigaDE.
UAE runs actual Amiga software unlike AmigaDE.
UAE is not controlled by Bill McEwen unlike AmigaDE.


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It wasn't the Amiga Computer Expo, ACE2k was the ALTERNATE Computing Expo 2000.

Anyways, I was sort of impressed with that demo back then (I was there) and Bill seemed like a pretty good bloke, but since then my opinions of him and "AmigaDE" have changed quite a lot.


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Bill has definately got a weird voice, more like an elf really!


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Interesting demo - I think its the first time I have seen something approaching a "proper" application running on AA1 (Photogenics). It seemed to just be running in Elate direct - I guess it was early days before they got to brand it all.

Looking at that makes me more enthusiastic about it - I cant believe they have been selling it for so many years on the basis of some basic games.

It certainly shows the possibilities of what AA2 "could be" by now...

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@ChaosLord

Quote:
UAE is open source freeware unlike AmigaDE.
UAE runs actual Amiga software unlike AmigaDE.
UAE is not controlled by Bill McEwen unlike AmigaDE.


That's nice but I prefer AmigaOS4! I really hate these emulators if I can avoid it.

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Hi Krash,

It was marketed as the Amiga Computer Expo to Amiga users... and the expo had more Amiga stuff than anything else... but it also had a nice integration of Alternative Operating Systems... which made the whole show much more interesting (for everyone including Amiga users).

Our one and only reason for running the show was to promote the Amiga... so calling it the Amiga Computer Expo is not misleading. It's also on the web site that way.

We stretched ACE to stand for a lot of things eg. Apple Computer Expo, Acorn Computer Expo, etc... It made it easier to get people interested.

My friend Greg Thomas (co-organiser) was responsible for the name (thanks Greg).

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It wasn't the Amiga Computer Expo, ACE2k was the ALTERNATE Computing Expo 2000.
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Hi,

The AmigaDE virtual processor ranges in size between about 20KB and 120KB... and takes very little time to write (a few weeks).

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that UAE is super portable or comparable to AmigaDE/OS5.

The small size of the virtual processor means that all the tasks we saw demo'd on AmigaDE ran much faster than on their native OS's ie. there is no slow down due to the virtual processor.

UAE takes quite a powerful processor to run... AmigaDE ran on even very slow processors... that's the nature of an OS intended for things like mobile phones and other devices that we never imagined could run a full OS or applications that previously only ran on proper computers (Amigas).

I'm very happy UAE is around... but it's not really comparable to AmigaDE/OS5 (we know very little about the changes in OS5).

I'm hopeful that now with some obvious money behind them Amiga will be able to finally bring a full new operating system to market... as well as the classic OS4 (Hyperion... stop arguing with Amiga and settle so we can get a good legacy/classic OS!!!)

Either way there's some obvious movement and that's good for all of us.

"Quote"
UAE has a virtual processor so the software always sees the same hardware This is why Classic Amiga OS3.x software is so portable and powerful.
"end quote"

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Somebody posted a section of the talk... but not the whole thing which made it a bit misleading... the video is still missing the first disk... which got damaged a while ago. I'm hoping someone else will provide me with a copy. I've posted this stuff on google video rather than You Tube because Google allows you to post files larger than 100MB. You Tube has a 100MB limit (the other video you refer to was on You Tube). Fragments of video tend to make AmigaDE hard to understand... so this time you've got more of the story.

Quote:
I'm sure I've seen some of this before, but I'll have a proper look later. Bill was 'slagging off' other people for making announcements with very little substance back then.


Bill complained about being forced by Gateway to make weekly announcements regardless of whether or not there was something to announce. He's never been prone to weekly announcements.

Mostly we complain we hear too little from him.

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Here's the only demo of Amiga Anywhere (OS5) that has so far surfaced:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=klVneMfBuXc

Compare it to AmigaDE... the comparisons are there but we don't know what's under the hood... that's the announcement we're waiting for Amiga to make... we assume they'll make it when it's ready.

The AmigaDE video is much more detailed and should give us insight into what OS5 is like... much more insight than the current OS5 brief video.

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Will be more excited when I see Workbench running on this OS5 with all the Amiga GUI-ness and not some random AmigaDE board game running on some PocketPC device!


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Quote:

Slick wrote:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that UAE is super portable or comparable to AmigaDE/OS5.


True, but LLVM does claim to be super-portable and it optimizes roughly as well as GCC. The lightweight optimizer was one of the things that caused AmigaDE to fail the first time and I suspect that that aspect of AmigaDE hasn't been fixed the second time around. In conjunction with AROS or another small hosted operating system, LLVM should be able to blow AmigaDE away.

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@ChaosLord

UAE runs on more platforms than AmigaDE.
UAE runs on Amiga OS.

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@Rob

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UAE runs on more platforms than AmigaDE.
UAE runs on Amiga OS.


Yeah, but setting up UAE on AmigaOS is a real piece of crap. You'd think it would be easy on Amiga, nope. Running Amiga hardware bangers or even AmigaOS apps over RTG is easier on a PC than the real thing.

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UAE has a virtual processor so the software always sees the same hardware This is why Classic Amiga OS3.x software is so portable and powerful.


Well it still is not exactly the same. Emulator like UAE tries to emulate existing hardware. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it does not. Emulators usually are not 100% accurate so not all software which runs on original hardware runs on emulator. Virtual machine does not try to emulate any existing hardware. VM has it's own virtual cpu and software is compiled for it. Eg. Java does that.

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@Samurai_Crow

Do the LLVM compiled binaries run on multiple and different platforms? Does LLVM have a runtime VM like Java? I thought it was used only from the compiler to produce optimized native code.

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I can't see the point in posting this as an Event news item...

This is not a news, nor an upcoming event.

A regular thread topic would suffice to point to these videos, and have those interested in DE discuss it.

The real issue I have with this post is it looks like propaganda, not just because of posting it as news but also because of "(now known as OS5)" and "it has been refined since" and "so portable and powerful" and yet again " (what is now known as OS5)".

Maybe such wasn't your intention but that's what it looks like to me.

So here's a bit of counter-action...

Die-hard Amigans don't like DE. It's not Amiga-like, not compatible, doesn't even run on any version of AmigaOS, never was meant to be, never will be, and is the very reason why AInc has gotten nowhere in 8 years.

Instead of catching up and bringing the Amiga platform back AInc even tried really hard to kill all things related to the original Amiga, in the hope that the Amiga name could be associated with their crappy product only, and nothing else.

I'm sure they'd like to make a fortune selling AInc with AA2 to some idiot but it won't happen. The days of the dot com bubble and supersized IPO deals are long gone, AInc is hardly worth 5 figures and the only value left in the Amiga name is sentimental, not commercial.

Mark my words... Mr Kouri won't get back the $250K he originally paid for AInc. when he dumps it to cut his losses.


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