Click Here
home features news forums classifieds faqs links search
5700 members 
Amiga Q&A /  Free for All /  Emulation /  Gaming / (Latest Posts)
Login

Nickname

Password

Lost Password?

Don't have an account yet?
Register now!

Support Amigaworld.net
Your support is needed and is appreciated as Amigaworld.net is primarily dependent upon the support of its users.
Donate

Menu
Main sections
Home
Features
News
Forums
Classifieds
Links
Downloads
Extras
OS4 Zone
IRC Network
AmigaWorld Radio
Newsfeed
Top Members
Amiga Dealers
Information
About Us
FAQs
Advertise
Polls
Terms of Service
Search

IRC Channel
Server: irc.amigaworld.net
Ports: 1024,5555, 6665-6669
SSL port: 6697
Channel: #Amigaworld
Channel Policy and Guidelines

Who's Online
46 crawler(s) on-line.
 14 guest(s) on-line.
 1 member(s) on-line.


 CygnusEd

You are an anonymous user.
Register Now!
 CygnusEd:  55 secs ago
 BSzili:  5 mins ago
 nikosidis:  19 mins ago
 Daedalus:  34 mins ago
 MEGA_RJ_MICAL:  1 hr 4 mins ago
 ERoy:  1 hr 11 mins ago
 kamelito:  1 hr 19 mins ago
 BigD:  1 hr 21 mins ago
 kolla:  1 hr 40 mins ago
 Frank:  1 hr 46 mins ago

Software News   Software News : AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
   posted by Petah on 22-May-2008 17:37:11 (5774 reads)
As expected, Dr Michal Schulz has released a first release candidate of the AROS Research Operating System for the SAM440 PowerPC 440EP-architecture. The binaries can be downloaded for free straight from Clausthal University of Technology as a 7,14 MB 7-Zip archive.

Technically inclined AmigaWorld.net users may want to read a blog entry briefly discussing a few caveats including problems with the AROS Magic User Interface graphical interface.

AROS Research Operating System (AROS) is a free software/open source implementation of the AmigaOS 3.1 APIs. Designed to be portable and flexible, ports are currently available for x86 and PowerPC based PCs in native and hosted flavors, with other architectures in development.


    

Related Links
· More about Software News
· News by Petah


Most read story about Software News
UBoot 2010.06.04 for Sam460ex available

Last news about Software News
IBrowse 2.5 Released
Printer Friendly Page  Send this Story to a Friend

Goto page ( 1 | 2 | 3 )

PosterThread
Framiga 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 22-May-2008 18:48:09
#1 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 5-Jul-2003
Posts: 2212
From: Unknown

Thanks Petah!

but i would change this bit:

"AROS Magic User Interface graphical interface" (just to avoid troubles).


_________________

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
meet.mrnrg 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 22-May-2008 18:57:33
#2 ]
Super Member
Joined: 5-Feb-2007
Posts: 1919
From: UK, AUS, US

Wow.
Maybe some team from AmigaSys or AmiKit can now package everything together
as a bundle using AROS... AROS bundles here we come eyyy.


_________________
Quote:
Easy Pocket Money, Freelancers & Experts Online
MiniMig FPGA, Sam440 Flex 733Mhz PPC, Amiga OS 4.1 Update 2, MorphOS 2.4, Other - AmiKit + Cloanto Amiga Forever 2008 + E-UAE, AmigaSYS

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
pixie 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 22-May-2008 19:41:13
#3 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 10-Mar-2003
Posts: 2657
From: Figueira da Foz - Portugal

@Framiga :
Avoid troubles with whom? SASG?


_________________
Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home.
The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Metalheart 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 22-May-2008 20:02:17
#4 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Aug-2003
Posts: 2968
From: Somewhere in the Dutch mountains....

Ok, so I've got some negative thing to say.... sorry...

Why would anyone want AROS on the SAM when they could have AROS on a much much faster and cheaper x86 computer ? (maybe the poor and hopefull few who bought a SAM in anticipation of OS4 for SAM...)

And.... If an application was written for x86 AROS, would that also work on a PPC SAM ?? Or would it have to be rewritten or recompiled ??

Anyway this is a great job done Realy !

Martin


_________________
Theres a time to live and a time to die
When its time to meet the maker
Theres a time to live but isnt it strange
That as soon as you're born you're dying

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
AmigaHeretic 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 22-May-2008 23:55:43
#5 ]
Super Member
Joined: 7-Mar-2003
Posts: 1697
From: Oregon

Quote:
Why would anyone want AROS on the SAM when they could have AROS on a much much faster and cheaper x86 computer ? (maybe the poor and hopefull few who bought a SAM in anticipation of OS4 for SAM...)



Now when I go to Aminet will there be Yet Another Aminet Icon?? One for PPC Aros programs and one for X86 AROS programs?


We haven't seen that before have we? The Amiga community being split/fractured. Sure lets have PPC & x86 version of AROS. Let's have some wars about it too. PPC AROS rules! X86 AROS is for for Magenta trolls!!


But seriously, could you imagine if we all just focused on one option. I mean I think a lot of people were hoping on AROS. Still, AROS, but even that is starting to fragment.


_________________
A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen & Hydrogen, & we'd just shove 'em together

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
pixie 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 0:05:44
#6 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 10-Mar-2003
Posts: 2657
From: Figueira da Foz - Portugal

@AmigaHeretic :
Having a system which supports multiple CPUs IMO is a good thing, if done well unties software from hardware allowing it to adapt faster. New processors might even be the same processor line but some bits up.


_________________
Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home.
The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
CodeSmith 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 0:31:17
#7 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 8-Mar-2003
Posts: 3045
From: USA

@pixie:

Not really. Expecting people to release some program they wrote for all supported CPUs is not going to work very well. Unless AROS comes up with something like MacOS fat binaries where the compiler toolset handles everything transparently, we'll end up with separate depots for x86, PPC and maybe 68K as well (if MiniMig, NatAmi etc catch on). Each of those depots will have different programs, and I believe that what will eventually happen is that one of the three platforms will become the most popular and the other two will waste away with almost no software being written for them.

[Edit] Come to think of it, even fat binaries wouldn't solve that. Imagine that you own an x86 AROS box, and write a shoot-em-up. You test it thoroughly and release it. Immediately someone complains that it crashes on his SAM, and a few others chime in saying it happens to them too. You try to reproduce the problem, but you can't. That's when you realize that there's some subtle incompatibility between x86 AROS and PPC AROS that you'll need to put in a workaround for. Unless you buy yourself a SAM440 or find a patient volunteer to help you, how are you going to test your fix?

Last edited by CodeSmith on 23-May-2008 at 12:36 AM.
Last edited by CodeSmith on 23-May-2008 at 12:35 AM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
meet.mrnrg 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 0:42:18
#8 ]
Super Member
Joined: 5-Feb-2007
Posts: 1919
From: UK, AUS, US

Ok...

First attemp at booting AROS SAM440PPC... Freezed after AmigaOS multi-boot option (1) nad option (2)

Updated SAM 440 PPC with

UBoot 1.2.0 26-Jan-2008 updater ISO from Acube updater-2008-01-26.iso.zip

1) Inserterd AROS OS SAM 440 PPC - First Reset booted into boot menu
2) Pressed (1) from the top numbers, not numreic pad
3) Booted into AROS GUI fine...

Ooopppps.... no usb keyboard or usb mouse???????
Ouch...
But fun...


_________________
Quote:
Easy Pocket Money, Freelancers & Experts Online
MiniMig FPGA, Sam440 Flex 733Mhz PPC, Amiga OS 4.1 Update 2, MorphOS 2.4, Other - AmiKit + Cloanto Amiga Forever 2008 + E-UAE, AmigaSYS

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
peroxidechicken 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 1:03:46
#9 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 2-Aug-2006
Posts: 178
From: Queensland, Australia

All the more reason to support open source. Complainers that can't code will just have to complain better or learn how to code. Some people actually enjoy it (coding that is - lots of people like complaining).

SAM is interesting and worth supporting because it's low power and more than a few steps away from caveman x86 archtecture. Haiku / BeOS is getting closer to an alpha release ( http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2008-05-18/steady_progress_towards_alpha_1 ) and at that point there could be some interest in reviving support for other processors. MorphOS is also a possibility for SAM (even if a remote one...).

At the end of the day, if x86 doesn't bother you then use it and be happy. If it does bother you enough to put down some cash then pick an alternative and be happy.


_________________

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
ssolie 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 2:12:26
#10 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 10-Mar-2003
Posts: 2740
From: Alberta, Canada

I see this as a big step backwards for AROS. Everybody knows the future is x86 based systems yet we celebrate AROS on obscure and expensive custom hardware like AmigaOS 4.0 is on. It's like I'm taking crazy pills.


_________________
ExecSG Team Lead

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
meet.mrnrg 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 2:16:18
#11 ]
Super Member
Joined: 5-Feb-2007
Posts: 1919
From: UK, AUS, US

hehe SSolie, but can you see the future already. I thought we had at least till the end of the year to prove to God, we deserve another chance at the top. Profits.


_________________
Quote:
Easy Pocket Money, Freelancers & Experts Online
MiniMig FPGA, Sam440 Flex 733Mhz PPC, Amiga OS 4.1 Update 2, MorphOS 2.4, Other - AmiKit + Cloanto Amiga Forever 2008 + E-UAE, AmigaSYS

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Rob 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 6:37:01
#12 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 20-Mar-2003
Posts: 5828
From: S.Wales

Thumbs up to the good Doctor.

Last edited by Rob on 23-May-2008 at 06:37 AM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Manu 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 9:09:57
#13 ]
Super Member
Joined: 4-Feb-2004
Posts: 1561
From: Unknown

@ssolie

Actually you're right ! (even though I guess you were kidding)

I can't see what good will ever come out of AROS on EFIKA or SAM.
It's just pointless. Put the energy into writing drivers for x86 hardware
instead, please.


_________________
AmigaOS or MorphOS on x86 would sell orders of magnitude more than the current,
hardware-intensive solutions. And they'd go faster.-- D.Haynie

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Kicko 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 10:13:55
#14 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 19-Jun-2004
Posts: 5008
From: Sweden

Keep up the good work with AROS

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Varthall 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 10:18:17
#15 ]
Super Member
Joined: 17-Feb-2004
Posts: 1552
From: Up Rough

@Manu

And I think exactly the opposite, I see more sense for an AmigaOS clone running on a dedicated hardware than on a generic x86 box. Everyone has different ideas and tastes, and unfortunately you can't please everyone.

Varthall


_________________
AmigaOne XE - AmigaOS 4.1 - Freescale 7457 1GHz - 1GB ram
MPlayer for OS4: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mplayer-amigaos/

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
itix 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 10:50:57
#16 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 22-Dec-2004
Posts: 3398
From: Freedom world

Quote:

But seriously, could you imagine if we all just focused on one option.


Which option it would be? Some users dont like PPC, some users dont like 68k, some users dont like x86. And some users dont like OS4, some users dont like MorphOS, some users dont like AROS. Some users dont like CGX, some users dont like P96, some users dont like MUI, some users dont like Reaction. Situation is more like it is with Linux where you can choose your favorite distro and hardware combination.

Choices in Amiga land are little bit more limited than in Linux but anyway... :)


_________________
Amiga Developer
Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
itix 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 11:03:48
#17 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 22-Dec-2004
Posts: 3398
From: Freedom world

Quote:

Not really. Expecting people to release some program they wrote for all supported CPUs is not going to work very well. Unless AROS comes up with something like MacOS fat binaries where the compiler toolset handles everything transparently,


There is AROS for 32 and 64bit CPUs so it cant work.

The best option would be that all platforms can run 68k binaries. It is obviously difficult in x86 and developers obviously wish to use features peculiar to their system, so that is not so common these days.


_________________
Amiga Developer
Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Fransexy 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 11:05:48
#18 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 8-Jun-2004
Posts: 2331
From: Elche (Alicante), spain

I will only say one thing: No PowerPC, No FUN ;)


_________________
No PowerPC, No Fun
Make Amiga Great Again

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
DBAlex 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 11:48:56
#19 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 23-Jul-2006
Posts: 724
From: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

@Fransexy

What about the Intel Atom?

Eats any PowerPC any day of the week!

Aros = Future

Alex.


_________________
A1200, 68060/64MB/1.2GB/WiFi/AGAtoCRT/OS3.9 Pegasos I, G3 600Mhz/512/9200SE/80GB/AmigaKitWiFi/MOS 1.4.5 WinUAE, Lenovo Intel J2900 Quad,4GB,500GB HD,Win 10 x64 Mac Mini 1.5Ghz PPC Amiga Forever !

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Crumb 
Re: AROS for the SAM440 released, now available for testing
Posted on 23-May-2008 11:53:52
#20 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 12-Mar-2003
Posts: 2208
From: Zaragoza (Aragonian State)

Quote:
The best option would be that all platforms can run 68k binaries


That is so true...


_________________
The only spanish amiga news web page/club: CUAZ

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  

Goto page ( 1 | 2 | 3 )

[ home ][ about us ][ privacy ] [ forums ][ classifieds ] [ links ][ news archive ] [ link to us ][ user account ]
Copyright (C) 2000 - 2019 Amigaworld.net.
Amigaworld.net was originally founded by David Doyle