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Internet News   Internet News : NetSurf
   posted by VooDoo on 11-Aug-2008 14:57:33 (5479 reads)
New Amiga Web Browser in Development!!!

Chris Young demonstrated his early port of Netsurf for the Amiga.

Although it is still flakey and not complete, the executable is about 7mb in size and loads in under 3 seconds on OS4.x.



Advantages
* Very fast (much faster than OWB - speed seems comparable to AWebOS4 and starts up in a couple of seconds, and that's without any compiler optimisations)
* Small footprint (executable is under 5MB when stripped, and memory usage is low - but I need to do some sort of quantitative measurement of that)
* Supports CSS
* Fully localisable
* Multiple windows

Disadvantages
* Core engine not as mature as (eg) OWB's, so some sites may render less correctly
* No Javascript

This news is taken fro Amigans.net!!!
    

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68k Port. Anyone?


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@DJBase

My thoughts too...

Seems more reasonable to port this to 68K than OWB (lower mem requirements etc)

Alex.

Also, early screenshots here: http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1940&forum=21

Last edited by DBAlex on 11-Aug-2008 at 03:51 PM.


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As already said, great work ! hope to try a demo soon ^_^


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Awesome news!


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I dont know..........you wait around ages for a more modern web broswer for your Amiga and they all come along at once!


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Chris had Netsurf up and running at the ANT meeting yesterday, and it was most impressive Even though it clearly needs more development (in particular, scrolling and forms), it definitely seemed more responsive than OWB despite probably not being completely optimised; I suppose that's the advantage of basing it on an engine designed with lower-spec computers in mind (RiscOS machines). It already renders most sites with CSS fine. I imagine it would perhaps be more suitable than OWB on Blizzard/Cyberstorm machines...


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Congratulation on the porting to amiga. Looks nice so far. I hope you fix javascript too. Keep up the good work.

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@alx

Scrolling is sorted (thanks to Ami603, although he doesn't know he helped fix it ). As you say, the ANT build had no compiler optimisation and the display was a bit non-optimal as well (which I've improved now).

I've not tried switching compiler optimisation on for it so not sure how much of a difference it'll make.

@DJBase

No 68k version, far too many dependencies to compile. I don't think I've added anything which particularly requires OS4 so it should be doable.

@Kicko

Javascript isn't really my problem, it's not present in the browser for me to fix!

Last edited by Chris_Y on 11-Aug-2008 at 06:37 PM.


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Chris_Y:

I'm glad i was of some help,maybe that allows me to apply for a early version to show locally within Spain users .

Great work,it seems we're going to have plenty of choice in the browser's area, finally.

Regarding Javascript support, maybe we could add support with this:

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple&f_fields=javascript

Last edited by Ami603 on 11-Aug-2008 at 07:03 PM.


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This is great news !

I hope we can finally get OS 3.x library or datatype for :

html.library

javascript.library

etc so we dont have to re-invent the wheel and open the door to HTML support in alot of current and future applications.

Great job !


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@Ami603

There's a library version of that as well, I think. I don't know enough about the internal structure of NetSurf to know whether it is of any use, but I suspect the core developers are already aware of Spidermonkey. AIUI Javascript (within NetSurf) needs DOM first which is in early stages.

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Chris:

Seriously , this is awesome news.

i will happily donate a 3 digit sum as soon as i see a working beta or whatever, and then another one when its gone gold.

cheers and many thanks for re-igniting my web browsing future.


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Nice work!


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Really great news. Lets just transfer the money from the bounty of SPutnik for OS4 to this project on behalf with the OWB. Let's motivate these two projects instead of Sputnik for OS4, which is already far behind the schedule.

I am not saying to not motivate the developer of Sputnik for the MorphOS version, but as he might not be interseted to port it to OS4, then lets just forward these money to the people that do work on these projects.


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I second that. This is the better idea!


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Walkero:yes i agree! 100%


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Has anyone working on this tried going to zoho.com or docs.google.com to see if those web application suites work through this browser?

Good job, BTW


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@Walkero, Elwood, Toaks
Forget it, I don't break my promises. Not to Marcin or the other people who made a donation!

No money from the Sputnik bounty will go to other projects unless Marcin has to stop development.
And since Marcin now has both A1 hardware and have had time for development a release for OS4 is getting close.

Btw. Neither NetSurf or owb was available(or worth) to port back when the OS4 bounty for Sputnik was started. Sputnik seemed the best choice as it was easiest browser to port to OS4.

Problems with hardware availability has delayed the Sputnik project but expect a first version soon and enjoy that we actually have a choice in browsers. Now I'm just missing a new version of IBrowse
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And guys, whenever you see these nice new developments for OS4, remember to make a donation (even if you already donated for another "competing" project).


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Even more good news.

It's not April the 1st and all my calenders are defective by any chance?


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@troels

ah so there is a chance of sputnik still comming then?

well that does change my opinion ofcourse, on the money matter side anyway.


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