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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
   posted by Kneedeep on 16-May-2003 6:14:30 (6787 reads)
10AM - TUESDAY - JUNE 17
Preview 8-10am, Tuesday, June 17
34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210
Snoqualmie, WA

Dot com servers, pc's, printers & late model furniture: James G. Murphy Co.

Update: It has been confirmed by various Amiga employees that this sale includes only old redundant computer equipment and furniture.
    

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amigacooke 
Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 7:49:45
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Perhaps it's obsolete equipment?

Still, at least it isn't in the police seizures section


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Bodie 
Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:05:40
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With all the s&#^ going on, I'm now really questioning whether I should get an A1 at all?

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Anonymous 
Re: No, for collection of back rent
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:07:47
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Apparently it's because of Amiga, Inc.'s back payments owed to Inception Group LLC, the building owner where Amiga's office was. This effort to collect payment is a matter of public record.

-- gary_c

 
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alx 
Re: No, for collection of back rent
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:15:43
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How does this affect the A1 in any way (I think I started a thread on this a while ago)? Hyperion/Eyetech have maganged so far without payments from A inc - even if they go bust the only thing you'll lose is the AmigaDE. Which the A1/OS4 won't even support!

I'd still like someone from A inc to comment on this though.


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MikeB 
Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:20:59
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IMO it's kind of sad that Amiga cannot auction anything without mass FUD spreading. Many trolls at other forums are working overtime right now.

BTW we could include a neutral well formulated question for Fleecy's Q&A week 11, just to clear up the fog. Who is going to ask the question?

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Kay 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:21:10
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Well, at least there is some substance to this one. An explantion from some of the AInc staff would be welcome.

Kay

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Bodie 
Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:25:41
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@MikeB

Done .

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Kay 
Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 8:28:40
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> Many trolls at other forums are working overtime right now.

You saw the usual suspects over at ANN too, eh? Well, whatever dammy and Cheesegrate say doesn't really matter, as they say the exact same thing regardless of the situation, and thus they probably lack the mental equipment to modify their beliefs based on new information (reasoning).

Still, at least this doesn't originate from a BB statement, and it has some substance. Regardless of what the reason is, AInc would probably be better off telling us.

Kay

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Anonymous 
Re: Obsolete?
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@Kay

Yes the trolls are out, without a doubt but there is as you say credible evidence that this is being sold off by a creditor.

I think most people are wise enough to filter out the trolls. In order to counter the negative publicity from this Amiga Inc would have to post an official *verifiable* statement. Amiga Inc statements are treated with less and less credibility at the moment - they need to be able to be independently verified ( even if its looking up some official document number in the state of Washington ).

 
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SlimJim 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 9:20:26
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The problem is not the trolls - we know THEIR take on
since ages back. The problem is that stuff like this keeps
popping up about AmigaInc. And frankly, it doesn't look
good - objectively good. How serious it really is I do not
know, but it sure is bad PR - especially when all Ainc can
say to clarify is "you don't know all the facts." It's a bad
thing when the reliability of a company ALL comes down to
the faith (or lack of faith) of the customers.

Isn't it time something became official soon? Something to
end this string of bad press and rumours - either way? Do
we really have to wait until AmiWest until information is
made public (and we are not even sure that is the case
either).
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L8-X 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 9:44:06
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I am getting extremely sick to death of calls for A.Inc to explain EVERYTHING they do.

People want them to put a notice on their website explaining why their auctioning things?!! Do WHAT?

I'm not sure, but do other companies do this?

Next we'll be asking for receipts to be scanned and placed on the site for people to see how much Bill McEwen paid for his morning coffee.

Sheesh


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Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 9:56:00
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@L8-X

No, but the thing is that when AInc-people *are* answering
(which they don't have to but do anyway), what they say is
essentially "think what you want - but we are right, you are
wrong since you don't see the whole picture." Fair enough. We
don't. But if bad PR keeps popping up (or at least dubious PR,
such as this piece here), eventually this puts the goodwill of
the public down to faith alone and that cannot be a good move
business-wise.

The community is stressed out, if you hadn't noticed.
Everyone is anxious for new systems, for the rebirth of the
Amiga - finally. You can't blame people for getting jumpy
under the barrage of rumours arising around AInc lately.
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Anonymous 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 10:08:13
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@L8-X

Amiga Inc wants to appeal to us as existing customers, potential customers and even advocates for Amiga badged products. The problem is that they have relied for so long on the fuel of goodwill that they are now practically running on empty.

We have ( or you would have if you sent a mail to Rich Woods ) valid primary evidence about court judgements against Amiga Inc. We have lots of anecdotal evidence ( secondary ) against Amiga Inc.

We have precious few bits of primary evidence for Amiga Inc. right now and if they can't accept well intentioned advice that they are close to losing what goodwill they had ( that gave their anecdotal statements credibility ) from people like me without turning it into a kneejerk reaction "we don't have to tell you jack-shit" then frankly they have absolutely no clue about care and feeding of the people they claim to need.

No one is asking them to justify their every move but the people that want to start using Amiga products and selling them to the world have serious doubts and lots of unanswered questions and over time are going to give less credence to bland answers.

I have an inkling as to what the Amiga Inc strategy is in this mess but frankly from where Im sitting unless they can come up with some primary evidence that confirms that this sale is directly on their behalf then an awful lot of people ( including me ) are again going to decrement the Amiga Inc statement credibility counter.

What we are saying is that they could clear it up quickly with no adverse long term effects on their mindshare. Why aren't they doing this? They must have known this was going to break today - so why haven't they prepared some statement or strategy to handle the fallout? You see it even brings into question their aptitude for handling the "community".



 
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Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 10:10:30
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It's all FUD and BS by trollers. There is no auction. Genesi has faked the auction website, faked all public records, hired people to spread more false information. Everything is ok people, calm down.
Amiga employees are working on their office as we speak while McEwen is watching that everything is going as planned.

Why would anyone believe something that originated from ann.lu, which is, as we know, full of idiots, trollers, fudders and other childliss people who have nothing better to do?

In other words, everythings in sc.....


sorry for the troll... but it seems some people just don't get it even if the truth hit them straight in the head.
The questionmark in topic proves it already. Crystalclear facts and it's doubted in the discussion topic.

 
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Re: Obsolete?
Posted on 16-May-2003 11:06:16
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Quote:
IMO it's kind of sad that Amiga cannot auction anything without mass FUD spreading. Many trolls at other forums are working overtime right now.


Will you stop crying "FUD" and "trolls" at every single negative news item concerning Amiga Inc? It's pretty tiring. I know, I know, I'm a troll myself. I'd better remain silent.

 
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herewegoagain 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 11:59:15
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Quote:
Since holding our first consignment auction in September 1970, the James G. Murphy Company has grown to become one of the largest commercial/industrial auction companies in the United States.


The above is from the The James G. Murphy Co. Overview page. Now, some of the auctions listed have the companies logo's beside them, so I say it's fairly clear that the auction is being placed there by Amiga. The one's that don't have a logo say things like "By Order Of US Bankruptcy Court" or "COMPUTERS, SERVERS, OFFICE EQUIPMENT, POLICE SEIZURES". Neither of those are the case for the stuff listed under Amiga's logo, or some of the other company logos there.

Look up the word "consignment". It basically means that you place your stuff with someone else so they can sell it for you, and they get paid after the sale.

Quote:
con·sign·ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-snmnt)
n.
The act of consigning.
Something consigned.

Idiom:
on consignment
With the provision that payment is expected only on completed sales and that unsold items may be returned to the one consigning: The retailer accepted the shipment on consignment.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
[Buy it]


consignment

\Con*sign"ment\, n. 1. The act of consigning; consignation.

2. (Com.) The act of consigning or sending property to an agent or correspondent in another place, as for care, sale, etc.

3. (Com.) That which is consigned; the goods or commodities sent or addressed to a consignee at one time or by one conveyance.

To increase your consignments of this valuable branch of national commerce. --Burke.

4. The writing by which anything is consigned.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.



That said. I seem to recall someone from Amiga awhile back stating that everyone was now working from thier home office, so is this selling of the furniture they are not using so unusual? I certainly don't see it as something to get upset over.

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Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 12:04:36
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@Herewegoagain

Call it last minute jitters .

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alx 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 12:13:19
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Give it a week or so and the title will probably become linkable for more information, like on the other companies higher up.

I can imagine the scene at Amiga:

Quote:
Fleecy: "I'm just going to auction off those servers in the corner and that chair I never use."

Bill Mc: "Fine, go ahead - we've never used 'em anyway"

---15 minutes later ---

Fleecy: "Er...Bill? I think you'd better look at this on ANN"


Time will tell...


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Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
Posted on 16-May-2003 12:15:58
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Well, actually, I don't think they _are_ in the office anymore. However, that's just my opinion. But if they are not, why not just auction the stuff off to help pay bills?

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Anonymous 
Re: Amiga Office equipment up for auctions?
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Hi,

IMO:

First off *if* Amiga Inc went bust, Amiga IP content made on top of Intent could be at risk(?). Intent/Elate from Tao-Group is in good shape, so Amiga DE developers could migrate or build a structure on top of Intent/Elate.

Intent/Elate is used by many companies and partners. If you need proof, head to http://withintent.biz. Check the partner listings.

Amiga Inc hasn't sat on their hands doing nothing. I've seen parts of what they are working on and it's rather good (extended APIs and tools).

Also, at the company I work at (full-time, not my part-time Intent/DE company), we recently sold some fancy workstations due to their cost. We re-located ourselves and use other equipment.

In our case, we didn't need space age workstations to churn out content. They were cool at first, but in the end we really didn't "need" them.

 
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