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Software News   Software News : New AROS build for testing USB
   posted by paolone on 20-Jul-2009 11:46:34 (6962 reads)
On the Icaros Desktop's website there is a new custom version of AROS, built to help bugfixing Poseidon - the well known USB stack being open-sourced by Chris Hodges. This is not a Icaros Desktop update, but a Live-CD that anyone (with supported hardware) can use to boot their PCs.

USB controllers should be activated automatically upon startup and USB mice/keyboards should work, and the Live-CD provides also OWB and the whole Icaros networking stuff to help testers submitting logs to AROS exec. Interested people can get this custom build of AROS from this link, while an updated version of the Icaros Desktop user manual, which can be helpful to set up networking, is available here.
    

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Re: New AROS build for testing USB
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Does this mean the source code for Poseidon is publically available for download someplace?


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Not yet. The codes will become APL-licensed once the bounty is completed. And the bounty will be completed when we have enough successful tests of running Poseidon on different configurations - so please help test if you can :)


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After all these years of waiting and broken promises we may be lucky enough to see a port of the first and best Amiga USB stack that enables OS4 users to enjoy USB2.0 full speed just like AmigaOS3, MorphOS and AROS users


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Re: New AROS build for testing USB
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As this point we have fairly good results in testing UHCI+EHCI configurations, however we are missing OHCI+EHCI tests. If you have such configurations (OHCI will most likelly not be on Intel motherboards) please join the test effort!


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@Crumb
Making fun of the AmigaOS 4.x situation really doesn't have anything to do with this news item but thanks for sharing.


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@ssolie :
What a thick skin we have sir... and why wouldn't it have anything to do with OS 4? Wasn't it the main reason you've asked for sources? Or do you want it ported over MOS or OS3.*? You put it in context, but context was already there, created not by crumb mind you, but by OS4 USB stack...

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Yes, having Poseidon done on AROS will mean it being open-sourced and available to the whole Amiga community, AmigaOS 3.x and 4.x included.

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@ pixie

Who are you having a go at?


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@ Moxee :

Being news it doesn't automatically refer to the post owner that would be ssolie


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After all these years of waiting and broken promises we may be lucky enough to see a port of the first and best Amiga USB stack that enables OS4 users to enjoy USB2.0 full speed just like AmigaOS3, MorphOS and AROS users


Well I'll drink to that, it's about time 0S4 got USB 2.0.

Good luck to all involved

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Being news it doesn't automatically refer to the post owner that would be ssolie


I wish the news had that feature. Well, it could only have been he or Crumb.


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Congratulations for this new software so useful for the new USB drives, and when the OS 4.x version?


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Congratulations for this new software so useful for the new USB drives, and when the OS 4.x version?


must found a developper for the AOS4.x version first.

If remember well, bounty competed for chris made Aros version and open source the source. After, must found other developper for other platform (I think morphOS is allways chris).

Correct me if It's wrong. Hope guys who ask after AOS4 version subscribed to the AORS port of poseidon first, Isnt it ???


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Hey! This is great. Works really well here, although the networking didn't work on the machine I tried it on here at work. I'll try it again when I get home.


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Congratulations for this new software so useful for the new USB drives, and when the OS 4.x version?


That depends. USB2 drivers are already in the works for OS4. But this does come as a threat. From what I know technically it could be a better stack than Sirion in OS4. But who started writing these stacks in the first place? Why wasn't Hyperion able to license Poseidon?

This reminds of OS4 vs. Amithlon, to an extent. Amithlon threated to trump on OS4 and make it out first, which would be a blow to the new NG PPC AmigaOS itself. We know what happened there. OS4 lost. Amiga was beat by the PC once again.

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@Gleng

By 'works really well' you mean booting AROS or Poseidon detecting devices? If the later, could you please tell me what kind of USB hardware do you have? (see Poseidon Controllers section, once a controller is made 'Online' its comments will tell you whether it is OHCI/UHCI/EHCI or some combinationm of those)


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That depends. USB2 drivers are already in the works for OS4. But this does come as a threat. From what I know technically it could be a better stack than Sirion in OS4. But who started writing these stacks in the first place? Why wasn't Hyperion able to license Poseidon? This reminds of OS4 vs. Amithlon, to an extent. Amithlon threated to trump on OS4 and make it out first, which would be a blow to the new NG PPC AmigaOS itself. We know what happened there. OS4 lost. Amiga was beat by the PC once again.


Sorry, Hypex, I simply can't figure out what are you meaning with this. Why the hell should you care what USB 2.0 stack will be available first for OS4? Once you fire it up and it's working, what should you worry about?

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I mean that Poseidon seems to work really well. I'm at work at the moment, but I'll do some tests and post the results when I get home.


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Let's imagine the situation where Poseidon is available on all platforms. Now a person having only AmigaOS hardware can develop a USB hardware class (=driver) and then sell/make available this class to users of all systems. This will of course only work of there are no 'i have a better but noncompatible idea' Poseidon forks (see SFS situation).


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Sorry, Hypex, I simply can't figure out what are you meaning with this. Why the hell should you care what USB 2.0 stack will be available first for OS4? Once you fire it up and it's working, what should you worry about?


Because, an OS4 developer, IIRC Rene W.Olsen, is already working on official OS4 drivers for us. To me it would be like a stab in the back if after all that work someone compiles an alternate open source (but payed out) variant of the software.

The other thing is, integrating it into the system. The entire OS4 USB subystem has to pulled off the disk. And with different system librarys and drivers I doubt the OS4 USB utility software could be used.

One silly thing I found out, is that the Thylacine USB card is not supported by OS4. That is silly because OS4 has the same Sirion stack as included with that card!

I don't know if someone managed to copy over the Thylacine 68K drivers and got it to work. But last I heard it didn't work out of the box.

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