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News   News : Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
   posted by eXec.pl on 24-Jul-2009 9:47:33 (7970 reads)
The Amiga platform, in spite of its development, is still incompatible with many contemporary solutions. A good example is lack of a complete support for the up-to-date graphic cards, especially in the field of 3D acceleration (OpenGL) or the Color Management System (ICM). Hans de Ruiter is the one who has met the challenge to develop drivers for the latest AMD Radeon HD graphic cards. The project, which started last year, has already given the first results. It’s reasonable to support Hans de Ruiter’s work in order to reward him for his achievements and to encourage him in his further work. That’s the reason why the eXec internet magazine has launched a campaign for Radeon HD driver support. The campaign is addressed to Amiga enthusiasts who are eager to accelerate the development of Amiga platform. Donations can be made by HDR donate button. For a start, the eXec editorial staff is donating a purchase of a HIS Radeon 4350 PCI graphic card, which so far is the most modern solution of AMD for low-end market.

About Radeon HD driver:
The goal of this project, leaded by the Hans the Ruiter, is to create an Amiga OS graphic driver for R5xx (and following) GPUs. One of the motivations for Hans’ work is to be able to use shaders, that are present in the modern GPUs. However, it is important to mention that full support of modern graphic cards need much work to be done. Hans initiative is an important step, that in future will allow to introduce many modern technologies, such as; UVD or shader.

About eXec magazine:
eXec is the oldest and the only internet magazine in Poland, that is exclusively oriented to the Amiga platform. It has started its activity in the year 2000, in a form of a newspaper (attached with CD). Now it is available only as websites: www.exec.pl and www.amigaos.pl. eXec stuff and readers are
still looking for the new opportunities to support development of the latest versions of AmigaOS.
    

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Moxee 
Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
Posted on 25-Jul-2009 0:01:33
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@ Darth_X

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I will assume this is a cultural difference between Europe and North America, where business is operated differently.


I am only a couple hundred miles south of you in North America and I do not understand what you mean either.


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
Posted on 25-Jul-2009 1:51:46
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Hans,

As you know I'm a great supporter of your important work but just wanted to ask the obvious question, have you been talking to Hyperion about their efforts in this area?

I would assume that bringing up-to-date drivers to OS4 would be one of their higher prorities and you don't want to be working separately on the same thing, much better to work together

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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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@NovaCoder

I had to talk with them in order to get the documentation necessary to write the driver. They could have a secret project that I don't know about, but I doubt it. I originally started work on the driver because various OS4 devs said that they didn't have the time for it.

Hans


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
Posted on 25-Jul-2009 8:00:43
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Hope you will successfully achieve this work. Thanks for your great work.


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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@Darth_X

Yet you still haven't answered out questions. What is the relation to the topic at hand?

You see, if there IS a relation we do not see, then we would be rather grateful if you could explain it to us instead of mocking us like we are some kind of idiot for not spotting the obvious.


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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@Darth_X

While I don't understand what any cultural differences have to do with this, I think my quiestion was, and still is, valid. What does your link have to do with this effort? As others have said, I fail to see any connection at all?


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
Posted on 25-Jul-2009 13:42:10
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@hans

keep up the good work, a token of my appriciation should be in your email box.


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
Posted on 25-Jul-2009 14:40:32
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Excellent work Hans. Paypal donation of the way.

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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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Can someone give an Amiga specific example in the usage of a shader in Amiga environment? (not a ported game).

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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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Great work,
I am unable to donate, since PayPal will
work in Serbia sometimes next year.
I will donate, no matter the driver state at that time.

However, since SAM is picky abiut PCI cards voltage,
what exactly ATI newever GFX cards exist,
would work on SAM/A1 and what is their price and availiability?

Is anyone even mentioning some PCI-E board or PCI-E to PCI (if possibile)
conversion card?


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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Yes. That and the accompanying code which they released with a BSD license. Their documentation has too many holes to be used alone (no AtomBIOS details, missing registers, etc.).

Now here is what I meant when I mentioned the Genesi certification with ATI. Genesi used to have contacts at ATI who would know the right people to talk to about filling in the missing pieces. However, since ATI was acquired by AMD, the right people tend to move around, leave for other jobs etc.
Quote:

Just to clarify, the driver requires minimum Amiga OS 4.x. With several people still working on Amiga OS 3.x stuff, I think that it's worth being specific about requirements.

Do you think a driver could be developed for OS3.x ? Could a classic Amiga with PCI expansion even handle running a modern graphics card?


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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@dart_x:
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Do you think a driver could be developed for OS3.x ? Could a classic Amiga with PCI expansion even handle running a modern graphics card?

i already cared and dared to ask hans this question, since if this was the case and the drivers could be ported to a classic solution (elbox) with only a little additional work i would sure take part in testing. alas it is not the case. he probably is right that it wouldnt pay due to poor performance of these pci extentions and also to limits of processing power.

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@cv643d

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Can someone give an Amiga specific example in the usage of a shader in Amiga environment? (not a ported game).


Shaders are currently unsupported on the Amiga, so there are no examples. I personally use shaders for image processing and computer vision. Shaders offer far more power and creativity with 3D graphics than fixed-pipeline 3D graphics does, and most modern games make use of it.

Hans


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@darth_x

Like Wawa said, I don't think that it's worth the effort. Classic Amigas are too slow. It's possible in theory but wouldn't be a quick port.

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@vox

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However, since SAM is picky about PCI cards voltage, what exactly ATI newer GFX cards exist, would work on SAM/A1 and what is their price and availability?


The Sam440 supports 3.3v PCI cards and the AmigaOne 5v cards. The PCI sockets are keyed so that only cards using the correct voltage can be inserted, there are also universal PCI cards that support 3.3 and 5v and will fit both the Sam440 and the AmigaOne.

The image shows which sockets and cards are which.




Hans is currently concentrating on the R5xx driver that supports X1300 or X1550 cards, after that he'll continue work on the R6xx driver which supports HD2400 cards. The HD4350 card mentioned in the news item will require an R7xx driver to be written for it. You should be able to find universal versions of all four of the above mentioned cards.

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Is anyone even mentioning some PCI-E board or PCI-E to PCI (if possibile) conversion card?


PCI-E to PCI conversion cards seem to be too large to be practical. The PCI cards mentioned above all have a PCI-E to PCI bridge chip built in and they should be sufficiently powerful for current OS4.x hardware.

When OS4.x compatible hardware with PCI-E slots appears, the drivers Hans is working on should support a wider variety of Radeon cards.

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@Rob

Actually, for the 66MHz slot in the AmigaOne, you'll need a universal card as the signals are 3.3V but the slot is situated the wrong way around, keying for 5V.


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I understand microAmigaOne's don't support external video cards (which I've never understood). Will this benefit micro owners? Do we need a change to uboot?

Last edited by thinkchip on 26-Jul-2009 at 03:17 PM.


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Perhaps I over reacted, sorry zerohero. I will assume this is a cultural difference between Europe and North America, where business is operated differently.


hey don't bring America into this.

I blame Canada.


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hey don't bring America into this. I blame Canada.

Me too!


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Re: Campaign for Radeon HD driver support
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So that's why we are allowed to make High-End drivers for the RadeonHD-cards to the Amiga? Because ATI made them Open Source? Great!


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