Good read - thanks for the English translation too :)

An interesting interview

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Thanks for the interview. Fredrik is a good coder.

A rapid learning curve... Well done.

I really like SRec, and hope it will have many more recording features to come, as well as optimizations for better performance.

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hello,

thanks for the english interview.

thanks for frederic for being an active amiga programmer and the work done on his programs and port for the amiga

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What interested me the most about AmigaOS 4.0 was that it was being (and still is) developed and improved unlike OS3.x on WinUAE which was/is pretty much a dead end.
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ah nice interview and again this OS3.x is dead end propaganda.

thats wrong.here is AFA OS that enhance AOS with AROS code by replace complete API func that need enhance with AROS code.thats same way as Mac os go.the AROS exec kernel is very comaptible, need only somebody enhance to memory protect and of course desihn a new API.

so its possible to make AROS much faster compatible to AOS and also all can see that AROS is a usefull OS, can be for X86/PPC too if devs write programs for it.

But as long there is hope for amibuguos projects on OS4 there is of course less motivation to do something for AROS.for AROS is nothing ambiguos announce.

I understand that somebody hope, and i can only wish Fredrik that his OS4 system live long, and has enough speed that he need not wait too long for his programs to compile, and that he notice no bugs in OS4, that because of closed source status only Hyperion can fix, and that he must not wait long until they fix it.

I have this hope not and so i stay on the so called dead end and what should i say, it get too furtherdevelop.

have a switchable safer system mode, so wrong message ports can not crash whole system

I can run dopus magellan as workbench replacement with 32 bit ONG/OS4 Icon support.
can use skin system with realtime scaling of skins, so window title size can change, round buttons are possible and 99.99999999% old soft run and lots more.

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/136.png
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/146.png
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/143.png

i dont see a dead and if this features need in AROS on X86 or they have Bugs, because all is open source, it can port.

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Sorry but those screenshots are frightening! The choice of button background and
window frames are about the worst I've ever seen..
I hope this is not a limitation of your afa_OS project?

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>Sorry but those screenshots are frightening! The choice of button background and
>window frames are about the worst I've ever seen..

the look what do with the features is matter of taste.There are guys that say windows vista/ XP is total ugly win 2000 i like more.
I make this screenshots when i finish a feature.

So better see it as a technologie Demo.

I have not much time spend to make this screenshots, also i think graphic talentet users can make better screenshots than i.

Ken have paint now 21 very nice looking skins i think.maybe some of this you like more...

http://www.five-star.com/kens_icons/screenshots/themes_all.png

zune AFA allow same as MUI set diffrent background titles.
so this can modify lots.

AFA zune support MUI4 images and support 3 tiles of a button.with that feature its possible to design round buttons, because you have a left tile, mid tile and right tile, you can also do lots more.

also you can see MUI gadgtools and stormwizard are consistent, they use the same skin(P96 speed is a gadtools program).

In AFA all skin is render by the zune.library, because i want that MUI programs and other programs use same skin.

And i know that there is some work to do, but the features are not frozen, all is opensource and can enhance so AOS3 is no deadend.

sure because of AOS is no opensource this is more work, but its possible and maybe one day there is no AOS need and AROS code is full compatible.

And there is no ainc or Hyperion need to enhance.

AROS use OS4 skin system, and can load this skins.

But this have in my eyes a big disadvantage because it is not scalable need a screen close for skin change and support no diffrent title sizes with the same skin.

thats also an early screenshot, upload years ago, now text center work better, but thats also no problem, because the text center can change in AFA prefs with slider in realtime (title y pos)

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/titlescale_24_to_21.png

that the marketing of AFA is not good i know, i spend no time for it, because i see no chance when there are guys here that announce a ambigoutous project and many believe that something great happen.

I like amiga OS and want it enhance, faster hardware and more OS features, and with AFA there is no deadend, so thats what Fredrik written is wrong.

that a company cant dictate what users should buy, you can see when you look at wikipedia the IBM PS/2 System, that we all know get no success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_System/2

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@bernd: continuing this OT for a second i too think that the default afa skins are totally overdone. i understand your screenshots are supposed to demonstrate features, but - sorry - window borders and gadgets should be as decent as possible.. also os4 default settings are dead ugly, i had to turn next to everything off to get it a 3.x lookalike. now, a good example of a decent functional gui is wanderers ntui, although i do not wholy get what do we need yet another gui system on amiga for.

ok, i will sit down and finish this afa_skin i made for myself and send you for consideration. i would have some feature requests though.:)

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@bernd_afa

There's no propaganda, I just stated what is my opinion. M68k AmigaOS does not interest me because 680x0 CPUs are too slow compared to x86 and PPC. TBH I would rather use MOS or even AROS than yet another patched to death AmigaOS 3.x running under WinUAE.

>TBH I would rather use MOS or even AROS than yet another patched to >death AmigaOS 3.x running under WinUAE.

the only problem, there are no AOS sources out, so i need more code use from AROS and furtherdevlop is lots more work.
But AROS have not programs i need so i do for AFA.

But all in all, when the AROS code work in AFA and all programs work as before, the reason wy AROS have not so much programs is then only that for AROS write not such programs i need.

AFA is no patch and cant compare to visual prefs or birdie or titlte shadow or all the other patches need not with AFA.

for example all 3 patch same functions text.this cause more stack usage and all patches btw do not check if enough stack is here.

AFA use own stack for enhanced functions, so it have very less crash risc due to stack.

AFA replace this function and use for truetype fonts 100% AROS code.
Same happen with the code to support the MUI Gadgets.

visualprefs patch sysiclass gadget class, buttonglclass, addgadget, addglist func for this.

AFA use the complete class and functions from AROS.So its no patch.

but of course when i have AOS source then i need not so much code replace.

In AFA there is a xxx_start.c file.

Here you can set what functions or classes should be replace with AROS Code.

this lines replace A AOS func complete with AROS code.

SETFUNC(AddGadget,Intuition,IntuitionBase);
SETFUNC(AddGList,Intuition,IntuitionBase);

RemoveClass(FindClass("gadgetclass"));
BOOPSI_GadgetClass_Startup_lib();
RemoveClass(FindClass("sysiclass"));
BOOPSI_SysIClass_Startup_lib();
BOOPSI_TbiClass_Startup_lib();
RemoveClass(FindClass("buttongclass"));
BOOPSI_ButtonGClass_Startup_lib();
RemoveClass(FindClass("imageclass"));
BOOPSI_ImageClass_Startup_lib();



>I just stated what is my opinion.

Your text
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What interested me the most about AmigaOS 4.0 was that it was being (and still is) developed and improved unlike OS3.x on WinUAE which was/is pretty much a dead end.
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thats no personal opinion.You tell that OS4 is developed and improved and say with word "unlike" this not happen on OS3.x on winuae.

thats no opinion.I do all in legal way, and for that you need a original AOS 3.9 AFA cost no money.

And i do not patch as amiga patches, that add new code and then call in same function old code.

If OS4 is legal furtherdevelop or not is currently a opinion, until the courts say Hyperion have the rights to do that.

ainc want very soon after the announced OS4 on cebit 2003 (but fail to show OS4), buy back whats here from OS4, but the contract seem not so easy that ainc can fire Hyperion because they work too slow.

http://merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/Time-LineOfChangesInAmigaIPOwnership.pdf

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Whatever floats your boat, pal.

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>Whatever floats your boat, pal.

I dont understand what you want say

can we agree on a statement, that amigaos 3.x is abandoned and discontinued but it is in course of being replaced by aros68k, does it satisfy everybody (because it is what bernd does, im i right)?

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can we agree on a statement, that amigaos 3.x is abandoned and discontinued but it is in course of being replaced by aros68k

The question is, who cares? OS4 has been around for a while, has a user base, and people apparently write native software for it. I'll gladly consider Bernd's solution as an OS3.x successor when somebody actually starts using it.

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>The question is, who cares? OS4 has been around for a while, has a user >base, and people apparently write native software for it. I'll gladly >consider Bernd's solution as an OS3.x successor when somebody actually >starts using it.

the download site have a webcounter.since dec 2005 it is visit 29900 times.
so i think there are more users than i use it.

have you ever look how many users download a OS4 Program or a 68 k program ?

a quick look on OS4 depot show donwload of 218 for powermanga OS4.
its release 2004 and on that days, there are more active OS4 users because OS4 was very new and there was few soft here, that was a big attraction.its also announce on news site.

http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=game/shmup/powermanga.lha

and here you can find 68k Version on aminet.No OS4 version find on search

http://aminet.net/search?query=powermanga

here can see 68k Version is upload 16. Juli 2009 and reach 231 downloads and it was not announce as a news.

http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=game/shmup/powermanga.lha

if you like i can post more examples.
and btw i dont want say that 68k have more users i only want say there are so few users here that it is not very good to port AOS to a high price hardware so users are force to buy this.

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Or what do you think, was it possible that Linux grow so much, when it run only on slow and expensive Hardware ?
Unix begin dieing, because windows run on cheap and fast HW.so Unix in form of Linux or other support too this Hardware.

Most users use cheap X86 HW, even if windows run on it.
And so Linux grow great, but if one of the few OS4 HW User wish to use it or report a bug, nobody say.

Hey guy, Unix on SAM is obsolete and deadend, price is higher speed is lower, buy a X86.

but here it work, that more platforms are suppert.they write big configuratin scripts to detect diffrent hardware and so one.

and btw if the devs on Linux keep no eye on running software on other Hardware, i think OS4 have only 5% of programs then or maybe no programs, because Hyperion need then write own C compiler, have no OWB, no netsurf or Cairo to merge in OS4.

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For example I ... don't care. 'Cos I were curious I tried AfA on my classic Amigas - but I found it near to unusable, not because of missing features or bad behaviour, but you need something like a 200MHz '060 to "enjoy" it. And, no, I won't use UAE.

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if you like i can post more examples.

Of course you can - but in this topic this is irrelevant. The talk was about OS developement not how many people (like me) download software for their legacy/retro systems. If you take this as an argument, then our future is Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Commodore C64...

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