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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
   posted by zerohero on 27-Apr-2011 9:25:23 (13600 reads)
We often hear about software developers and eager users wanting to help the Amiga Operating System move forward with new functionality and bug fixes.

One way to get involved is by joining the Open Amiga effort. The Open Amiga web site has plenty of projects which software developers may want to tackle to enhance AmigaOS.


Open Amiga is not just for developers. Users may also contribute. Needed personnel include:

Developers and others who can join the main work group
Interested parties that provide feedback in the forums
People who can write developer guides and guidelines (how to's, do's and don'ts)
Web developers for building the infrastructure
People who gather available developer documentation from the net
Judging from the dates, many of the projects have fallen on hard times. Go ahead and grab one and start going.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 18:05:11
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I think that would be the same some people feel now having CUSA selling PC running Ubuntu called Commodore Amiga. Nothing to do with the previous but that is business.

I see the case of Open Amiga like that. Once there was an Open Amiga initiative, and now there is another different one. But no one has hijacked anything.


That's a fair enough of a point.

I think what rubs people funny is this claims to be open, but it is not. It is for the benefit of a closed, commercial product only. It is basically a call for free development of software that will be rolled into a commercial product. It also suggests it is for "Amiga", but in the strictest legal definition it is not for "Amiga" at all.

If it was called "OpenOS4" there might have been a couple of snickers about the "open" part, but most wouldn't even take notice. I remember the real "Open Amiga" very well and everything that came before it, so this news certainly caught my eye.


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 18:27:02
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@redrumloa

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If it was called "OpenOS4" there might have been a couple of snickers about the "open" part, but most wouldn't even take notice. I remember the real "Open Amiga" very well and everything that came before it, so this news certainly caught my eye.


That one has a similar ring to me as the past Open Amiga, to make AOS4 Open :) I think wee agree that "open" is the term that causes confusion to call it something.

I interpret it as open for anyone who wishes to contribute to AOS4, nothing more, nothing less. But that is just me.


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 19:30:31
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AmigaOS4 will not run on the new Commodore Amigas.


And these Amigas will not run AmigaOS - fair deal I think.

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only "AmigaOS" or "Amiga OS" sites.


They can also use "AmigaOne" or "Amiga One" names.

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Setting all that aside, Openamiga.org is nothing like what the original openamiga.org was about.


As I wrote, I don´t think current "Open Amiga" was created to harm anyone. It is there few years and no-one complained - until now.


21 (of 64) posts from people with no interest in OS4. Interesting.

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redrumloa 
Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
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21 (of 64) posts from people with no interest in OS4. Interesting.


Actually the title of this news is:

Open Amiga - Hyperion Entertainment Blog

The title says "Amiga" not "OS4". Those 21 people were probably thinking this was about "Open Amiga".

-edit-
Fixed message.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 20:22:23
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@redrumloa

The idea behind the Open Amiga organization is for it to act as an Amiga community Open Source Research and Development department.

Anything wrong?

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redrumloa 
Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 20:31:08
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@pavlor

http://openamiga.org/?function=viewpage&pageid=11

The main goals

- Enhance the AmigaOS 4 experience
- Provide useful information for OS4 developers
- Research advanced topics like multi user support

Everything that Open Amiga produces shall be done with the intent of some day including it in the main AmigaOS4 distribution made by Hyperion.


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 20:35:56
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I thought Amiga users want to help enhance their OS... probably I was wrong.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 20:49:13
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I thought Amiga users want to help enhance their OS... probably I was wrong.


How will this help enhance my Amiga tablet or my Amiga 500? Anyhow we are going in circles here, just talking past each other I guess.

I really don't get end users paying a big time premium for a product and then being asked to contribute code for free to enhance future commercial releases. If people are capable and want to, god bless! I just don't get it when it comes to commercial closed source software.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 21:53:13
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@thread

This topic has just produced one of the highest number of reports ever. Yes the subject is about Open Source, but in respect of AmigaOS4 (I thought that was made quite clear within the first two lines of the news article).

Ergo, talking of other OS's is pretty much off topic as is any requests for the AmigaOS4 sourcecode to be made open source (as that was never even hinted at in the article to begin with).

I am going to ask once that people can remain civil and on topic. Derailing of threads will not be tolerated - it has happened far too much in the past and becomes tiresome for all. Continued postings along those lines will be met with posting restrictions. I shouldn't have to continually need to keep pointing this out - you are all (pretty much) adults!


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 28-Apr-2011 22:44:28
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pavlor wrote 

I thought Amiga users want to help enhance their OS... probably I was wrong.


Wow that's another strong point for AROS, because all other OSes on Amigas belong to companies or private persons. That's the right spirit Pavlor, OSes should belong to the users, wellcome to AROS.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 29-Apr-2011 6:53:12
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Imagine if a lapsed "Amiga?????" domain had been taken over by MorphOS, I'd say "hijacked" would be among the nicest thing we would read about it

I really don't care about wether OS4 is "Amiga" or just "AmigaOS" in this context, but I must admit the "Open" part is more than a bit misleading.

Especially as it replays Hyperion's stance on opensource " take what you can get, only give back what you absolutly must".


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 29-Apr-2011 7:07:37
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just talking past each other I guess.


Exactly.

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I just don't get it when it comes to commercial closed source software.


AmigaOS was always "commercial closed source software". If you want to improve it, you can. If not - no-one forces you to contribute single line of code to the OS.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 29-Apr-2011 14:32:57
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I can't believe how some people can still hold a grudge after so many years of concrete evidence that everything is going great... They wanted the Amiga to survive and it did, yet they're mad at everything which doesn't conform to their own idea of how it should have survived.


The Open Amiga site is simply trying to help make the official OS better:
Any application from OA which makes its way onto the next OS4 release is still going to be Open Source.
It doesn't in any way prevent other OSes from becoming better too.
For that matter, the OA software being Open Source, it can benefit the other OSes as well, anyone is free to port it over.

Anyway, nothing I can say will ever set the morons straight. I'm just glad they can't fly or I'd never see the sun


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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 29-Apr-2011 22:13:55
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I can't believe how some people can still hold a grudge after so many years of concrete evidence that everything is going great...


If you think that current situation is "going great" I really don't want to see what you would consider things going badly....

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pavlor 
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Posted on 30-Apr-2011 8:13:03
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@Rose

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If you think that current situation is "going great" I really don't want to see what you would consider things going badly....


AmigaOS4 taken over and "killed" by Amiga.Inc.
MorphOS project ended after rupture in the development team (followed by many nasty comments in the forums).
As a result of legal action of Amiga.Inc against AROS, AROS can be no longer developed.
Final price of Natami exceeds 3000 EUR, only few people buy Natami with such prohibitive price and project is ended by bancrupcy of the Natami team members.

Yes, things could go even worser.

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Re: Open Amiga << Hyperion Entertainment Blog
Posted on 30-Apr-2011 16:27:09
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ster: redrumloa Date: 28-Apr-2011 9:14:38 Open Amiga 2003: http://replay.web.archive.org/20030717020829/http:// www.openamiga.org/ /


I remember that site... but then again I used to wn it. I still have the source somewhere.


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