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hardware AROS   hardware AROS : Lottery: Win an IndieGO! prototype
   posted by phoenixkonsole on 4-Nov-2012 19:43:58 (4569 reads)
New Hardware for AROS and classic Amiga users is coming... and for (retro) gamers.

Some information can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/indiegoretro

Read more...


It is aimed as new mini System besides the AresOne : audience = AROS users.
It is aimed as Amithlon-style System: audience = former Amithlon users.
It is aimed as Retro gaming device (plays everything PC (DOS, WIN, Linux, AROS, AmigaOS, and consoles via emulation).
It is aimed as next generation gaming system based around Desura and Steam.

We will also publish physically some of the extraordinary Indie or retro games (relaunch). Those releases will be limited and certified.

Actually, we were quite mute except for the Facebook page and the thread on arks-exec.org.

First prototypes will be shipped in middle of this month (November).

In order to raise the number Facebook -followers I announced a lottery.

As soon we have 100 followers on Facebook I will let choose randomly one of the registered users at www.ares-shop.de . Then again at 250 followers, then again at 500 followers, and then again at 1000 followers.

Every chosen user will get a IndieGO! Prototype for free. If the numbers are reached after the release of the final system the chosen ones will get the final set (basic version).


Actually, the official IndieGO! Logo and website are WIP, as is the packaging and the DVD-case design (Ares logo is just a placeholder).

The OS is based on AEROS r4.
The official release will have no AROS pre-installed.
Aeros r4 allows to automatically install AspireOS, IcAROS, or Broadway so Amiga dealers can pre-install what they like. Also only AmigaOS if wanted.

Our stage 2 bootloader can be used to install also OS's from other CPU-architectures as long they are compatible to the available emulator engines. So, you can basically choose to boot into AmigaOS 3.9, or AROS 68k, or AtariTOS, or RiscOS, or Solaris, or whatever you like.

Gamers will love the fact that you can virtually throw any CD/DVD into the IndieGO! If not straight out of the box you can easily get the needed stuff via the software-center.

Lottery Prototypes won't come with an SSD or a DVD-drive! Only SD-card (factory loaded and copy-protected, you will have a second Partition for installation)!

Also WIP (placeholder: www.indiego-gaming.com)

Best regards,
Pascal

PS: We are finalizing GEMZ a new game for AmigaOS, AROS, and MorphOS.

PPS: Specs aren't final. It will come with at least 4GB RAM, an SSD (~30GB), DVD-Drive, and SD-card slot.
    

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Re: Lottery: Win an IndieGO! prototype
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This reads like 10 announcements in one and none of it make alot of sense.

Firstly, what is IndieGO? specs, etc..

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Specs will follow. You have the chance to know it as first.


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@mihcael

Indeed. This is what I understood:

You can install Broadway, AspireOS, IcAROS, but no AROS is preinstalled, but AEROS. And Amithlon, but with Desura without a logo and a Solaris bootloader? Correct?


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it is a gamingsystem but it allows to run and boot other os'es from different cpu-architectures too

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What do you mean by gaming system? A pc (x86) with gaming specs or a totally custom made hardware?


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it is amd64 and you could use it as a pc. It is based on an mini itx board. CPU may change to r-series, too early too tell a final spec. Basic price should be as low as possible.


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Was wondering… will this system be 100% backwards compatible with all the old original Amiga games ie; will it be able to play all games written that "banged the metal" or "hit the hardware" directly or games that require keyboard input (Adventure games etc…) ???

While I understand that the machine specs are not yet finalised and so I doubt neither will the price be but a little bit more technical info would help to understand what the machine will actually be capable of…

It sound interesting but it's pretty vague on actual details, any chance of being a bit more specific as to just what it can potentially do…


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if UAE can run it then it appears to be yes


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@Franko
Yes it will be compatible. I plan to bundle AmigaForever with it.
You can also use FS-UAE.

You will be able to run Amiga/Windows/DOS/Linux games. We will update a game library for easy installation of PC games.

An example:
You insert the GTA CDROM(the original DOS games)... IndieGO! checks the CD, recognizes GTA and installs it.

PlayOnLinux allows to install many PC games. With wine tricks you can add missing M$ files to play even modern PC games.

The System will be open. An easy SDK allows to create IndieGO games from existing stuff (includes games from retro consoles). Basically it allows the developer to embedd an existing "ROM" inlcuding emulator in an IndieGO-specific container.

If you wish to run AmigaOS only you can set it to boot straight into AmigaOS. We have the "lx command feature" from AEROS also available on AmigaOS 3.1 installations.


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An inexpensive retro gaming device should have some appeal. But what sort of price range are you looking at?

How is it any different than something like Puppy Arcade on a cheapo PC?

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@phoenix...

So, it is a Linux hosted system.

Do you have restore system sorted out, so that when one gets system messed up, there is a easy way to return to start setup?
+It would be very nice to have possibility to easily create full backups (restore points or full images) on some USB media or LAN drive

UPDATE:
IIRC, you had a custom x86 board design as well, but this uses off the self motherboard, right?

I wonder what it would cost to have some mainstream motherboard builder to do slightly modified build of a motherboard? Perhaps we would not need it but anyway...
I imagine some firm might do it for something like double price of the original board and it would still be relatively cheap in "Amiga" scope.

UPDATE2:
After reading more... very appealing.
Could x86 offering be any more appealing? (perhaps via getting AOS4 & MOS on it somehow Those guys got their dev systems already? )
To me it seems already as the best of the x86 world.
I'm silly if this will not be my next x86 buy.

So, when can we buy?

UPDATE3:
Not absolutely on-topic, but I'm not finding exact details of AresOne XL either... Pictures of Case internals etc. etc... More info would be nice to see about all ares products before investing.

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Hi,
how custom it will be depends on public intrerest. Actually i prepared 3 possible designs. From on the shelf over to embedded over to fully custom.
Target price for the basic system with 30GB SSD, 4GB RAM should be +/- 200€ ... so it depends on how many devices/licenses(in case someone likes to produce them by himmself) I can sell in advance to interesed resellers.

The full package should be showable in december. Logo at end of this month, as the DVD-design.


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AresOne XL is only available in germany, if you click on german flag you can find some specs. I need to disable it on the english side. A review was available in AmigaFuture.


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The price seems reasonable, although I'm still not sure how it really differs from a cheapo PC w/Linux + emulators on it. Custom hardware would of course be too expensive really... but I do wonder why not try the super cheap ARM route instead?

Most people have old PCs lying about that can run UAE/AROS already, and old emulators will work fine on them too. Or if not, a used P4/Core Duo system is like... Free-$75.

It may just be me, but I don't really see the appeal of packaging Linux + X86 together, offering it as an Amiga-ish system. Maybe it's because just about anyone can download the needed software already, install it on their spare PC from several years ago, and accomplish the same thing for free.

Unless I am misunderstanding what this is exactly... or if it has some custom hardware I am not aware of.

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The Indiego is not just an amigaish system. Arm is not powerful enough to emulate a dreamcast or an wii . The indiego comes with steam and desura client. ARM is just not ready for such stuff.

@Nameless
The IndieGO! is the video game console for nerds, geeks and free individual minds : )
Amiga is only one piece of the whole idea.

The IndieGO! comes with some exclusive applications you can't get anywhere else. And it sports a easy UI which isn't available anywhere else.

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If the UI and emulators are real nice, I could see it being of some interest then. Puppy Arcade already has a pretty decent UI though and is free to all.

As for ARM, Dreamcast on ARM may be possible... Wii... not really.

I guess when I see systems like this my first thought is... why not just download the million emulators already available onto a PC I already own?

If the price is low enough, and the system is well designed, I could see it being of some interest, however.

I'd probably be interested more in a slower system (as odd as that sounds)... something like the FPGA arcade, but even more retro and inexpensive. Super cheap x86, less than$50 device, to plug into TVs, run UAE, SNES, Genesis, NES, C-64, etc. and DOS games (486/Pentium I era speed). I may be in the minority there though.

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>The price seems reasonable, although I'm still not sure how it really differs from a cheapo PC w/Linux + emulators on it.

I see it as:
-Optimized set of components. Components where all drivers exist outside Windows world.
-instant on
-prebuilt and installed
-propably custom HW with unique features?

> Custom hardware would of course be too expensive really... but I do wonder why not try the super cheap ARM route instead?

It would cost a lot more than standard x86.
It might cost more than slightly customized x86 board.
It would have only 10% of the CPU performance.
It would most likely have 1% of the GPU performance.
75eur ARM smart TVs compete with such thing already, available everywhere.
ARM devices can not run x86 (windows, etc) games like this one can.
ARM devices can not run old Amiga games like x86 can.
etc...

>Most people have old PCs lying about that can run UAE/AROS already, and old emulators will work fine on them too. Or if not, a used P4/Core Duo system is like... Free-$75.

For me, they do not work. I find no old PC that runs AROS perfectly. I find it hard to hunt for compatible HW and drivers for old x86 HW. I ended up spending 99% of my time setting that sh*tty HW+SW up.

>It may just be me, but I don't really see the appeal of packaging Linux + X86 together, offering it as an Amiga-ish system. Maybe it's because just about anyone can download the needed software already, install it on their spare PC from several years ago, and accomplish the same thing for free.

That is not true. I have tried. Perhaps if I spent 100% of my time in setting up the system.... Setting it up needs more than a average IT engineer.... Then try to sell it to joe average.

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I agree that setting up AROS perfectly is a pain to do. I tried it in a Virtual Machine, and ages ago on a netbook, and it still had some issues. So there is some validity to the argument that a pre-configured system is worth paying for if it has AROS optimized on it.

That said, I take this new device as being more a general retro/emulator type of system than geared towards AROS people specifically. If someone wants an AROS system, then it may appeal to them more than the emulator/gaming side of things, as it's real easy to download emulators for NES/SNES/Amiga, etc on any modern or semi-modern PC.

I'm not so sure it'll have custom hardware. As for ARM, I was thinking more towards price, as ARM devices can get really, really cheap... no, they won't compete with x86 at that price, but when playing a 20 year old game, it won't matter much.

I have nothing against a prebuilt retro system like this. I guess I was just wondering aloud as to who it will appeal to.

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I agree on 20 years old games.. but the IndieGO! should allow to play current gen PC games too and emulation of modern Hardware.. so a all in one. ARM isn't capable of this and if than it costs more. YOu are too much thinking in the PC direction. Think more in original XBOX direction and you will understand.

BTW. the first winner comes from Finland!!!
Next Winner will be chosen at 250 followers.
If he allow i will post his full name. "Mikko S." from Finland"


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Later... a netbook with similar preinstalled thing would rock as well.

(just been pissed on how cumbersome my mobile devices are... a lot of web sites do not work with symbian or android devices, webmail is not usable on phone, gmail is ok on android. multimedia messages work poorly. sharing photos and drawings it not simple unless all people have identical mobile device, etc, etc... I imagine that if I get a netbook I could use YAM or simplemail everywhere and share drawings and photos via e-mail with everyone with e-mail capable device... and it would have a real keyboard that works also in winter conditions unlike any tablet... so, lookin forward to easy Amigan netbooking.... one day. ... I wonder how hard it is to get 3G module working with MOS/AOS4/AROS... do any 3G USB stick work on Amigan devices? but alternatively ... I can set my phone to share the internet via wifi to the Amiga device.)

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