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software AROS   software AROS : AMINUX - AROS Vision for i386 desktops and notebooks
   posted by phoenixkonsole on 10-Nov-2013 19:11:32 (3265 reads)
Starting from 10th of November 13 23:00:00 you can grab a first release of Aminux from www.aeros-os.org

EXPERIMENTAL "AMINUX 0.0.2a" based on MICROKNOPPIX for X86
Update November/10/2013

MUST BE WRITTEN TO USB-STICK with "dd" or WinImageWriter32 or similar tools.



What it does:
It is based on KNOPPIX and boots into FS-UAE running AROS VISION 68k distribution done by Olaf Schönweiß.

It works with ATI, Nvidia and Intel GPU's.

The slowest system i had for testing was a 1.5GHZ Celeron with Intel915 Chipsset.
It worked good for ECS and AGA games.

Network is working out of the box if "wired"
Wifi has to be edited from Preferences Menu in Linux. Quit FS-UAE with F12.

For powering of you just need to press your "power button". A requester will appear.
PLEASE DON'T POWER OFF YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE LINUX DOES THE SHUTDOWN! IT WILL POWER YOUR SYSTEM OFF.

WRITING TO USB IS SUPPORTED.
Minimum size is 4GB. If you have a greater stick i suggest to use GParted to make a extra FAT Partition. You can share adf's and hdf's this way.

www.aeros-os.org

Hope it come useful for some.

LX (as in AEROS) is available but it is still not working perfectly (only once per up-time).

A video of Version 0.0.2
http://youtu.be/K2fu7dnFTpY

A teaser of LX command:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FbDJAVLjWI
    

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Re: AMINUX - AROS Vision for i386 desktops and notebooks
Posted on 12-Nov-2013 17:08:42
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Yet another Linux distro hosting AROS. Excuse me for not being excited, but how many more of these announcements are we going to see? One for every Linux distro out there? I prefer to run AROS natively instead of putting it atop Linux and an API translation layer. This is no more exciting to me than running OS3.9 on top of Windows using WinUAE.

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This is just a 68k emu for every pc without the need for windows.so what?
So running classic stuff everywhere i like is exciting enough.
Where is your problem?
Being able to develop or test stuff utilizing linux is a bonus.
That it works on every pc is nice too.
Again, what is wrong?
If you have no need, ignore it.


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I think this is like amithlon, but open source.


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We will see how much we can reach to achieve a sort of Arithlon : )


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I keep saying it, but the comparison to amithlon is innaccurate. Amithlon isnt just uae ontop of linux.

Can you use native amiga drivers? OS 3.x poseidon? Does newlowlevel.lib work? Can you use a catweasel from amiga side not just linux side? Run a mix of x86 and 68k OS3.x code? Direct hardware access, etc,, etc?
This is pretty much x-amiga, or the live booting option from AF. Theres nothing wrong with that, but theyre different beasts than amithlon.

Anyway, clarification rant aside, good stuff.
Ive seen countless threads from people wanting to do this over the years, so Im sure theres some people out there who will enjoy a "pre-rolled" option.

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@fishy

of course it is not "Amithlon" and will never be. Both concepts are different and of course have different advantages and disadvantages. Amithlon was a great concept and is a pity that it was finally stopped. But I think on todays conditions AMINUX is not only a good (and cool ) idea and is also very useful and I am very grateful to Pascal doing it. Another option for the future is to start and use the integrated Linux apps like LibreOffice all other needed applications including Browser, Email and so on. I would like to integrate them with the 68k part. But that is future .

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So
- this runs full UAE and therefore is slightly slower than Amithlon.
(perhaps Amithlon like kernell+emu could be future option for this)
- this can not run AOS apps compiled to x86 like Amithlon could
+ this will be able to run x86 linux apps in the 68k graphical environment (using other cores even?)
+ this is more "alive" than Amithlon
+ this runs AROS 68k instead of AOS3.x and is therefore free from "Amiga" legality issues
(I wonder if Amithlon2 could use AROS 68k as well one day...)

etc...

?? will this be able to mix aros 68k and aros x86 binaries? Most likely not?

For my x86 laptop .... I think Amithlon might have best support for the GPU of it (GF5200go or something), generally linux & AROS use "only" vesa drivers .... but I could be wrong... anyway, will look forward these things.

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- this runs full UAE and therefore is slightly slower than Amithlon.
(perhaps Amithlon like kernell+emu could be future option for this)

Yes propably slightly slower

- this can not run AOS apps compiled to x86 like Amithlon could

Were there any on Amithlon? Yes that is not possible. It will be possible to run Linux apps instead.

+ this will be able to run x86 linux apps in the 68k graphical environment (using other cores even?)

Yes, Pascal will create a 68k command for this

+ this is more "alive" than Amithlon

Yes as long Knoppix and my distribution are in development. I will maintain it together with Pascal

+ this runs AROS 68k instead of AOS3.x and is therefore free from "Amiga" legality issues
(I wonder if Amithlon2 could use AROS 68k as well one day...)

Yes it does not require a original installation + ROMs. Regarding Amithlon I do not believe. AROS 68k needs AGA to run (as far as I know) so Amithlon is not propable

?? will this be able to mix aros 68k and aros x86 binaries? Most likely not?

No. Perhaps Pascal creates something new in future with aeros that combines all 3. AMINUX is Linux + FS-UAE

For my x86 laptop .... I think Amithlon might have best support for the GPU of it (GF5200go or something), generally linux & AROS use "only" vesa drivers .... but I could be wrong... anyway, will look forward these things.

VESA I am not sure. It is FS-UAE automatically started in Knoppix. When the hardware is supported it is really running like any Linux-app. But Pascal certainly can answer that better.

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FS-UAE doesn't work with VESA. It Needs 3D accelerated Drivers.

Intel, Nvidia and ATI Drivers are included. Try it when you have time.

Amnux will, as AEROS, allow to use command line Tools from Linux(next release for Aminux) and AROS i386(next release). Developers can make an 68k Application which utilizes this, Outsourcing havy computation to Linux.

EDIT for clarifications:
AEROS (x86) Needs proper Linux Drivers to be installed by the user. If he did, AROS hosted will have automatically acces to the Host OpenGL Driver. So you can run AROS i386 3D Games much faster than on native AROS. Most propietary Drivers are still better than open source.

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cool

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Did a little testing, and it seems to be roughly 1/2 the speed of amithlon on same hardware for real apps, and both slower again, or a little bit closer for some synthetic tests.
I suppose this is due to both to uae being slower than amithlon, and aros being slower than OS3.x.

Quake2 on my amithlon box gets 297fps by bringing up console and typing "timereresh" vs 112 for knoppix + fs-uae,
Sysspeed reports 3780mips on amithlon vs 2126.
Not sure how to benchmark, but 720p video on amithlon seemed roughly on par with 360p using knoppix + uae.
Still quite usable, and given thst amithlon tops out hardware wise at about a 4.4ghz core2quad (only 1 core used, but the larger caches of the quad core cpus make a difference) given a few years it will eventually be surpassed for raw. 68k speed.

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Nice!

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@phoenixkonsole

Quote:
This is just a 68k emu for every pc without the need for windows.so what?
So running classic stuff everywhere i like is exciting enough.
Where is your problem?
Being able to develop or test stuff utilizing linux is a bonus.
That it works on every pc is nice too.
Again, what is wrong?
If you have no need, ignore it.


My problem is that we already have several Linux hosted versions of AROS. What's so special about this one? What differentiates it from all the others?

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thanks fishy for testing.

This is not hosted. It is emulated.
Difference is that you boot into aros 68k and not x86.
It focuses on classic compatibility. It allows to check out aros vision. It don't need installation.


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Guys I'm getting confused. Is this part of the new ArixOS ? Or Aeros? I use AspireOS which boots natively on my netbook so how are any of these new OS's going to work better than what I currently have for my portable Amiga??


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it has nothing to do with Arix. It is a "kind of" Amithlon solution that runs on modern hardware and is 68k only.

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@OlafS25

it might actually be an idea for someone to have a page somewhere explaining the differences between all of these flavors of AROS. so far we have AspireOS, Broadway, Icaros Desktop, AMINUX, AROS Vision, ARIX, AEROS, and AROS nightlies for x86, PPC, ARM, and 68k.

that's a lot.

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ah yes ... I will try. But for ARIX I have to wait myself

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it might actually be an idea for someone to have a page somewhere explaining the differences between all of these flavors of AROS. so far we have AspireOS, Broadway, Icaros Desktop, AMINUX, AROS Vision, ARIX, AEROS, and AROS nightlies for x86, PPC, ARM, and 68k.


That's an excellent idea. Who would have believed just a year ago that there would be so many variants of AROS.

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