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Announcement   Announcement : Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms - Cancelled
   posted by phoenixkonsole on 24-Mar-2015 11:19:00 (8324 reads)
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phoenixkonsole 
Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 6:28:24
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I forgot:
Everyone who bought or buys something at ares-shop get's 5% cashback in Form of amicoins. So basically those roms are are free for everyone who bought something for 20 or above (incl. shipping). As long you use the cash back to buy them in the store.

I don't send those coins automatically for older orders starting at 2009, please contact me in case you like to get a cash back.

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 9:03:25
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Have I understood right that if you want to use the latest Amikit (PPC) for AOS4.1 FE, you would need this Cyberstorm ROM to make it actually work? Similar to as Cloanto is selling legal Amiga kick ROMs which are reguired by Amiga forever?

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 9:25:17
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You need those roms to emulate "legally" a Cyberstorm PPC board. Which is needed to run AmigaOS 4.1 classic in WinUAE.

Yep basically as Kickstart roms included in AmigaForever. While just using them may look for a end-user ok - I as comercial entitiy have to stay clean.
You could be sued to easely.

I plan to sell bundles of USB-Sticks and Computers with AmigaOS4.1 and to be on the safe site i added them to the store, so the usb-stick (activation tool) can grab it from the store and Register the user.

This automatically applies with later Releases of Broadway and AEROS.

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 11:08:15
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Very nice stuff :)

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 16:57:14
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May we know where did you obtain the rights to distribute the ROMs? Who is the owner of this intellectual property currently?

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 17:08:04
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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
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@phoenixkonsole

Ralph Schmidt* or someone claiming to be him, has said on moobunny that DCE don't have the right to grant you a license.

I suggest you get in touch with Ralph to clarify the situation.

*The IP seems to tie up.

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 18:21:20
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DCE has exlcusive rights on the following things:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2000-02-00097-DE.html

Someone was also using my name on Moobunny:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39889&forum=2#751384

Trevor can tell you that i posted here back than a news-item about operation little Britain... The moo guy got me to the point to press the nuke-button.

Those roms are great for counter-attacks.

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I have not much friends especially in the I pay for nothing corner.
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The community trained me to act like a asshole as well.
I didn't start yet but I must admit i am "Nachtragend" as hell.

My haters will hate me even more, people accepting me will hate me and people who like me will take a step away.

Just calculate 120 x Smurf fan game... this is enough to pay 2 AROS developers 3 years at full time.

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just kidding : ) But the numbers are inspiring.... aren't they?

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 19:35:00
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@phoenixconsole

Quote:
DCE has exlcusive rights on the following things:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2000-02-00097-DE.html

thanks for the link. i assume you're confident that DCE had full rights to license phase5 software/firmware. is ralph merely misinformed?

Quote:
Someone was also using my name on Moobunny:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39889&forum=2#751384

Trevor can tell you that i posted here back than a news-item about operation little Britain... The moo guy got me to the point to press the nuke-button.

little britain? nuke button? huh?

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Those roms are great for counter-attacks.

counterattacks? against whom?

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I have not much friends especially in the I pay for nothing corner.
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The community trained me to act like a asshole as well.
I didn't start yet but I must admit i am "Nachtragend" as hell.

um... seriously -- what are you on about? no one is being accusatory in this thread. no one is being disrespectful. are you referring to some previous conflict with someone or something?

Quote:
My haters will hate me even more, people accepting me will hate me and people who like me will take a step away.

wait, are you saying you're doing something wrong here? how is selling product for which you have a license wrong? why are people going to dislike you over this?

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Just calculate 120 x Smurf fan game... this is enough to pay 2 AROS developers 3 years at full time.

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just kidding : ) But the numbers are inspiring.... aren't they?

what smurf game? is this something you're offering on your indie-go appstore platform? i realize english isn't your first language, but it's terribly difficult to understand your post. could you please clarify the various allusions you've been using?

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 20:19:00
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: )
Ah it is old coffee just forget what I have wrote. Some people will understand it.

I am confident.


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Bugala 
Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 26-Mar-2015 21:12:08
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@eliyahu

Hes comments had to do with some previous things that had happened before.

But just to explain the smurf fan game part.
I guess he referred to the idea that when Hippoonios made Smurf game, was it last december, that when he released it, he got "cease and decease" - letter (or whatever they officially called) and was asked to pay peyo 2000 euros to settle the issue.

Hence, 120 x smurf fan games = 240 000 euros = 2 developers working on AROS full time full for 3 years = 40 000 EUR / a year salary, which i think is more than a fair wage for them (over 3 000 euros a month to do something they probably like doing anyway).

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 27-Mar-2015 12:24:00
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First of all, thanks, I don't have an issue with paying for the ROM's and I beleive you got the rights to them, but I was not able to find them on your appStore.

Second, if some people acts like a-holes, there is no reason to become one, just ignore them. There are plenty of people out there who are more than willing to be nice.


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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 27-Mar-2015 12:28:23
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Hi,

in the Moment I Need to clarify some things again.
Ralph Schmidt says that the has the rights to release them and so he did:

http://aminet.net/search?o_date=equal&date=20150326&readme=ralph+schmidt

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 27-Mar-2015 14:20:53
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@phoenixkonsole

did he release them to DCE or to the public? if the former then why would he state otherwise? and if the latter, how can you re-sell them? i'm just trying to understand why he would, all of a sudden, appear again in the amiga community to comment on this and whether or not the ROMs are in the public domain, owned by DCE and licensed to you, or now owned by you.

can you clarify the situation for us? thanks!

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 27-Mar-2015 14:30:43
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I think both have rights. It is the typical "amiga-like" legal mess. If I understand Pascals intentions it is not selling roms to average user and make money of it but to offer preinstalled OS4 and for that he need the permissions by the copyright owner(s). He will certainly clarify as soon he had contact to Ralph Schmidt.

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
Posted on 27-Mar-2015 16:52:07
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Too complex and I would really Need to argue against this and I don't wan't stress.

so no roms.

Those things Mr. Schmidt has shared are just updates. No roms.
He still says that he and only he has the right to license them.
He will not release them to the public or license at all.

DCE on the other Hand has the right to protect their products and so could only sue People for releasing a virtual copy of their own product, they again bought from Phase 5. Halleluja!

It is a bit strange and so if at all I had to start a legal Action just to get Access to the truth which could be excactly what Mr. Schmidt is telling. That Phase 5 licensed them from him and didn't own them at any Point.
Nor did they get a unlimited right to redistribute them to others. A right which coulld have been moved over when DCE bought valuable content of Phase5

So I act respectful and believe Mr. Schmidt without asking further and digging deeper. The roms will not be offered again.

At least we know that it will stay technically illegal (because of 2 Independent entities) and just tolerated.

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
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@phoenixkonsole

sorry to hear things didn't work out, but glad to see you're doing the right thing. thanks for clearing things up.



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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
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it is the typical amiga chaos...

BTW how did the market work at all at that time?

Better to start from scratch, the legacy is poisened

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Re: Legal source for Cyberstorm Roms
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Uh.

First Smurf game was withdrawn due to legal threats, now PPC Roms as well.

Hope this is not becoming a new trend in Amiga Land.

Last edited by Bugala on 27-Mar-2015 at 05:51 PM.

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it is not "new" but very old trend unfortunately

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