@CDMauro Haters gonna hate and that's the job that fits you perfectly.

If you only had had the guts you had finished your videogame and published it even after the demise of Commodore and Amiga, and in spite of any adverse fate as for example Stefano Buonocore did with his "Secret of Middle City".

The guy realized his project after 10 years loosing no hope and mainly not wasting his time in going round Amiga forums trolling about the death of PPC architecture as you did tirelessly and with all perverse joy that you show in public, laughing at any insuccess of Amiga projects.

Don't blame me for your bad karma. It is you that attract it with your negative attitude. Be positive and (maybe) world will smile at you.

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i hope you realize that your ranting can come over a bit ridiculous, should we now expect that if odyssey problems be solved you will try to claim a credit for that too?

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OT but you're only 93 posts away from 5000 :D

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@wawa

My claims depends on how much money I could put in the bounty for resolving the bugs.

Unfortunately at this very moment I can contribute only with 10 euro.

In my personal opinion it is too tight money to claim whatsoever, and I agree with you about it is ridiculous to be proud of it.

I could had said I contributed to solve the bugs if I could had offered more than 500 euro.

Can you offer more money and claim in my place that you are the saviour of Odissey Web Browser for PowerPC processors?

From the solving of endianess issues in the engine of our only valuable browser it depends the present and future of existence of PPC as desktop platform.

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@wawa My claims depends on how much money I could put in the bounty for resolving the bugs. Unfortunately at this very moment I can contribute only with 10 euro. In my personal opinion it is too tight money to claim whatsoever, and I agree with you about it is ridiculous to be proud of it. I could had said I contributed to solve the bugs if I could had offered more than 500 euro. Can you offer more money and claim in my place that you are the saviour of Odissey Web Browser for PowerPC processors? From the solving of endianess issues in the engine of our only valuable browser it depends the present and future of existence of PPC as desktop platform.

It's not always about money. :)

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Unfortunately at this very moment I can contribute only with 10 euro.

heh.. sorry but your financial situation is your own problem. im not interested in your money whatsoever..

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I could had said I contributed to solve the bugs if I could had offered more than 500 euro.

its your calculation, i dont count bugs i helped to solve or times i bothered the developers, with any, my or other peoples, money.

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Can you offer more money and claim in my place that you are the saviour of Odissey Web Browser for PowerPC processors?

i couldnt care less for your claim to be saviour of anything. whether or whom i offer my money or try to help is my own business, be it of any actual value or not.

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From the solving of endianess issues in the engine of our only valuable browser it depends the present and future of existence of PPC as desktop platform.

same here. i couldnt care less for your ppc platform. accidentally any big endian fix will contribute to sustain ir a bit longer. but im not going to contribute to that intentionally any soon. it wouldnt change anything anyway. especially there is enough to do and learn on other issues, before even trying to help with something as complex as odyssey.

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OT but you're only 93 posts away from 5000 :D

im not even going to notice it. same as i dont care of birthdays.. or christmas ;)

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@wawa It is you who said I am claiming "credits" in vain and being ridicolous on whatsoever it is only in your mind and attributing me something I never claimed.

The only claim I could have about OWB is regarding about "PROPER credit", i.e. money.

You completely misundestood what I am trying to saying with my poor english, using "turns of phrases" that are very common in my native language (italian) to make a person understand something using different words, in order not offending them.

I was trying trying to slap in the face whose people who were blabbing about a bounty to attract developers interest in past comments, but never create real ones bounties to check if people will donate.

They talk about there is no interest in Amiga land but never created a real bounty and never make proper advertising about it on main Amiga sites, so all people will acknowledge how VITAL this endianess bug hunting in webkit javascript engine.

Must I talk clear with no going round and round and perhaps being rude?


That I just wanna said it is:

"Stop blabbing. Shut up! Just create this damn bounty and take my money!"




Donating money is the only way we poor common Amiga users people who are uncapable of programming in C language can help with.

But if Amiga devlopers people continue blabbing about they have no intention to create bounty as they claim there is no real interest in Amigaland about these projects, and they don't want to waste efforts on projects that the community dislikes, then no one will ever start the development.

It is like a dog trying to bite its own tail. It goes nowhere.

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Ohhh!!! I feel better now that I put simple words out of my mouth, and I hope moderators will forgive my use of "damn" that some people of english spoken countries consider strangely a very "bad" word.

If I were capable to create a bounty I had started it immediately by myself on Bountysource site, for financing this bug hunting...

(or for example in order to financing making of cheap PPC community made motherboard whose discussion that started it was originated by me.)

In both situations, collect money for help developers it is vital for us.

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As developers too would like to have a proper browser on their Amigas, I don't think it would be necessary to have a bounty to motivate them.

For that matter, when you're using something a lot and it has issues, you're more likely to do something about it if you can.

As for any endian issues with the JS compiler, unless the x86 version of the library is written in assembly language, it can't be all that hard to adapt to do conversion on-the-fly, the same issue exists with PCI hardware being little endian, and gets handled as needed so it's completely transparent.

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@CDMauro Haters gonna hate and that's the job that fits you perfectly.

Don't confuse me with you. It's your attitude, and your comments clearly show how the situation is.

If you think the contrary you can quote me and prove that mine was "hate".

BTW, I'm still waiting to know from you the technical reasons that brought you to classify as "trivial" solving the veeeeeeeery long endianess issues on WebKit.
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If you only had had the guts you had finished your videogame and published it even after the demise of Commodore and Amiga, and in spite of any adverse fate as for example Stefano Buonocore did with his "Secret of Middle City".

1) I already contributed with Fightin' Spirit. If amigans enjoyed one of the best beat'm up, it's thanks to my work too, which allowed it run at 25 FPS and with tons of EHB graphic.

2) USA Racing was an enormous projects, and basically it required a graphic artist every 2 levels to be finished.

3) After I left my company, I started the (alternative to) military service, and when I went back the Amiga market basically was dead. In fact, my former colleagues got just some "pennies" from Fightin' Spirit sells.

4) AFAIK Secret of Middle City wasn't released for any Amiga: there's no ECS neither an AGA version, and I haven't seen any plan for porting it for one to the two Amiga platforms.
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The guy realized his project after 10 years loosing no hope

See point 4: the guy created something completely different, and... for completely different platforms. In fact, it works on Windows and MacOS X too.

But NOT on an Amiga.

Whereas Fightin' Spirit runs on ECS, AGA, and CD32 machines.

USA Racing was planned for ECS-only, at least initially, but reworking on the massive graphics for AGA required a comparable effort (rewriting the graphic engine too), so I don't think it would have made any sense (even because the risk was to drop the frame rate from 50 to 25 FPS, due to the poor AGA chipset, which IMO is unacceptable for this game).

But if you want to see this game completed, you can open a bounty for creating all graphic. I can give all needed tools for this: the application for creating the maps, the fast map viewer (needed to have a quick overview of the work, since every map is immense: 8192x65536 pixels), and a preliminary demo of the game which can be used to test if the map work.
If the bounty succeeds, I'll release all sources under BSD license, so everyone can continue the work, and finalize the game. I don't want a single penny from it.

So, are you able to give a concrete contribute to the Amiga community? Do it!
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and mainly not wasting his time in going round Amiga forums trolling about the death of PPC architecture as you did tirelessly and with all perverse joy that you show in public, laughing at any insuccess of Amiga projects.

See above: I don't see Amiga projects from very long time. Amiga is a retro-platform.

Aside this, mine is reality checking, whereas you continue to live on your parallel universe. That's why you continuously express your hatred against me, as your comments punctually show.
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Don't blame me for your bad karma. It is you that attract it with your negative attitude. Be positive and (maybe) world will smile at you.

It isn't a question of karma. If a good amigan is the only one which contributed to the Amiga platform, then I already did my "homework", whereas you have made nothing, except just talking and wasting time.

If, according to you, Odyssey is VITAL for your died PowerPC platform, go work or make extra work, and put the 500 euro that you talked about on the bounty.

Talk is cheap: show REAL facts, man.

BTW, AROS doesn't need to fix the endianess issues, because it's already working on mainstream architectures, which are all little endian.
MorphOS will be ported to x64, so doesn't make sense for his developers or users to waste their time/money on a died platform, and they can better put their little resources on more important things.
Only OS4 needs it, and I remember you that in theory there should be already a browser for this post-Amiga platform: Timberwolf. Unfinished...

Any moderator around ?

@cdimauro & Raffaele

Visto che siete entrambi italiani non c'è bisogno di usare l'inglese ... potreste discutere dei fatti vostri in privato lasciando questo thread libero cosi che si possa discutere di questo browser in santa pace ?

GRAAAZIE

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@samo79: take a look at the comments. It's Raffaele which has something against me, and continuously attack me, going completely off-topic also. The comments sequence clearly shows it.

Regarding moderators, I don't think that they'll do something. This morning all my previous reports were reject because "Not considered a violation", so it means that trolls are free to continually attack other people. If this is the case, I'll stop being polite and using the Report button, so I'll react the same way as I'm attacked.

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As developers too would like to have a proper browser on their Amigas, I don't think it would be necessary to have a bounty to motivate them. For that matter, when you're using something a lot and it has issues, you're more likely to do something about it if you can. As for any endian issues with the JS compiler, unless the x86 version of the library is written in assembly language, it can't be all that hard to adapt to do conversion on-the-fly, the same issue exists with PCI hardware being little endian, and gets handled as needed so it's completely transparent.

Let's just sit around and wait then. Why change a strategy that worked for the last two years

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One question if normal user can create bounty? Maybe this is solution what community needs from our developers? Of course should be a verification of project, we don't need ridiculous task.

@CDMauro

Che faccia di bronzo. Mi hai sempre stalkerato in passato. Se hai smesso è perché l'ho dimostrato coi fatti chi ha commentato prima e chi dopo, e tutti i tuoi interventi a gamba tesa ad ogni commento che scrivevo.
Stavolta è capitato che ho commentato io te? Quanto mi dispiace. Non ci perderó il sonno.

L'hai messa sul personale dicendo che sono un hater? E per le rime ti ho risposto.

Guarda che ormai ti sanno tutti chi sei sui forum Amiga. Non ti puoi più nascondere dietro la maschera del grande santone programmatore.
Avessi fatto UNA cosa seria per Amiga negli ultimi dieci anni invece di trollare avresti guadagnato il rispetto di tutti e anche il mio.

Non l'hai fatto dicendo che non vuoi fare sforzi su qualcosa che non è più Amiga perché Amiga è morto con la Commodore e non devi dimostrare niente a nessuno e in specie ad un signor nessuno come me? Bravo! Continua a piangere come un bamboccio sminuendo il lavoro degli altri e demolendo progetti come TiNA dall'interno, come un serpente, dicendo agli altri soci che è hardware impossibile da realizzare.

Il gioco di Stefano Buonocore non è Amiga? Chissà perché lo sapevo che avresti risposto così.

Almeno lui ha dimostrato di saper finire quello che ha iniziato e merita il seppure piccolo successo che ha avuto in vita.

Tu invece sei inutile per questa comunità.

What a bronze face you have. In the past you followed me on any Amiga sites where I posted just to counterdict my issues like a stalker. I demonstrated this with facts, just pointing number of times you entered like in soccer game with interventions with straight legs on my comments.

This time it was me who commented you? What a shame on me then. I will not loose my sleeptime for that.

You put it on private calling me hater? And I responded by calling you an hater back.

And perhaps all people on this forum known well who you are. You can't hide anymore behind the mask of the saint great guru coder.

If only you had completed a single task in the past ten years for the Amiga sake instead of trolling gratuitously you had gained respect from everbody and from me too.

You said your are not interested in wasted your efforts and you have nothimg than demostrate to people like me who are Mr. Nobody? Bravo! Then continue crying like a toddler that Amiga is dead with Commodore and diminishing efforts by other people and demolishing projects like TiNA from the inside, like a snake, by telling other partecipants that it is not feasable hardware..

Game of Stefano Buonocore is not Amiga for you? Phwew! I knew you had put the issue on the fact nothing is Amiga for you since 68000.

At least he had the guts to end the job he started, and deserves all our respect of Amigan and the even little success in his life by making something concrete in this community.

While you are a disgrace for this community.

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What a bronze face you have. In the past you followed me on any Amiga sites where I posted just to counterdict my issues like a stalker. I demonstrated this with facts, just pointing number of times you entered like in soccer game with interventions with straight legs on my comments.

Than it'll be very easy to PROVE it, right? I'm waiting for your tons of proofs!
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This time it was me who commented you? What a shame on me then. I will not loose my sleeptime for that.

This time = as usual with you.
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You put it on private calling me hater? And I responded by calling you an hater back.

You're not even able to take your responsibilities. It happened AFTER (#39) that YOU (#38) replied to me (#35), with your comment full of hate.
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And perhaps all people on this forum known well who you are. You can't hide anymore behind the mask of the saint great guru coder.

Now you're talking for all people: typical of whom desperately is seeking help from someone else to save his position.
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If only you had completed a single task in the past ten years for the Amiga sake instead of trolling gratuitously you had gained respect from everbody and from me too.

At least I did something, instead of just talking.
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You said your are not interested in wasted your efforts

Wrong. I said that I've better things to work on.
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and you have nothimg than demostrate to people like me who are Mr. Nobody? Bravo!

Danke.
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Then continue crying like a toddler that Amiga is dead with Commodore

Well, I also give credit that Amiga survived with Commodore USA's machines...
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I'm not in such position.
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and demolishing projects like TiNA from the inside, like a snake, by telling other partecipants that it is not feasable hardware..

That's a totally false statement. I already reported here what happened with TiNA, bringing also the comments of the other guy which was working on it (Franco Schiumerini AKA schumacal) and that reported what happened on amigapage.it.

I NEVER stated what you're falsely accusing me, and I dare you to prove it, liar!
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Game of Stefano Buonocore is not Amiga for you? Phwew! I knew you had put the issue on the fact nothing is Amiga for you since 68000.

That's wrong: see above. Commodore USA's Amiga is a legitimate Amiga, so you can ask him to port his game to such machine to claim that it was ported to the Amiga.
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At least he had the guts to end the job he started, and deserves all our respect of Amigan and the even little success in his life by making something concrete in this community.

At least I'd the good sense to recognize that the market was died, and that I've already wasted a lot of time and money on such project, that I never get back.

It's called good sense...
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While you are a disgrace for this community.

That's YOUR unrespectable opinion, for which I'll surely not sleep the night...

Now why don't you contribute to the community and put your 500 euro on the endianess bounty?

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The issue is the only developer who showed any interest in the fix doesn't use a big endian machine. So you're going to have a long wait.

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@CDMauro tons of proofs?

He who wants, he is free to check our discussions on Amiga sites. It is all written and saved with dates and times stamped on messages.

Liar about TiNA? Amiga web sites are full of your messages stating that things could not be done due to X issue or Y issue preventing any feasable development.

You were good in demolishing that project, but incidentally I never seen in your message any proposal to use different classes of chips, fix-electronics or anything similar.

Just to make an example Pegasos I machines were fixed with April 1 and April 2 chip.

I cannot believe that a so called hardware guru like you was not capable to find electronic chips on the vaste market of information technology that were capable to generate correct timing or correct signals in order to emulate ancient hardware like 68000 Amigas.

Sorry but at this very moment I don't feel anymore capable to believe in you.
I read different messages you posted. I read you stated it is impossible to realize such an hardware with given chips and circuitry but I never seen any proposals in which you stated that it could be possible to test different hardware approach by enumerating a list of electronic circuitry that could replace the chips that you consider inefficient to emulate Amiga AGA machines.

You can call me a liar if you want, but I don't feel confident with your judice of professional hardware maker anymore. You prejudicated it with your attitude and your approach with any projects and efforts by any Amiga developer different than you.
Honestly I consider you as self centric presumptous troll, and I think it is right to tell this honestly in your face.

That's it.

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One question if normal user can create bounty? Maybe this is solution what community needs from our developers? Of course should be a verification of project, we don't need ridiculous task.

Anyone can write up a bounty and submit it. As for the verification process power2people has the community verify the final product, Amigabounty has some mystery committee that "verifies" the requirements have been met. Personally I won't donate to a bounty on amigabounty because of the whole timberwolf fiasco.

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The issue is the only developer who showed any interest in the fix doesn't use a big endian machine. So you're going to have a long wait.

while we quarrel kas1e has apparently joined in. apart of that, you can have a big endian machine any time you want, its called uae.;) you only need some patience..