Well this is interesting. It does seem strange things like AmiDVD and SmartFileSystem are in a payed for package as these were free. But what I really wonder is why a tool like PartitionWizard is included? This is an OS tool that comes with the OS so why is that here? It's rather bizarre that OS4 has this third party extra CD with tools that are obvious replacements for what is already there and others with the exact name, Talk about confusing the users!

Capitalism

The premise behind this package is two fold: to invest in new software by updating older software that has not been upgraded from some years and additionally to fund developers and reward them financially for their hard work. In the past this has not always been the case and we are ensuring from the outset that this package will represents a change to that.

The investment from the Enhancer Software goes back into producing updates and upgrades to the software with the hope that it can become self-sustainable from a financial point of view in future years time.

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I think that users that want to buy a retail box don't want (or can't : no internet on Amiga but on PC ?) to use AmiStore.

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I fail to see how this can be financially viable :p

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Well this is interesting. It does seem strange things like AmiDVD and SmartFileSystem are in a payed for package as these were free. But what I really wonder is why a tool like PartitionWizard is included? This is an OS tool that comes with the OS so why is that here? It's rather bizarre that OS4 has this third party extra CD with tools that are obvious replacements for what is already there and others with the exact name, Talk about confusing the users!

The reason to the "interesting", "strange", "confusing" things you see now (and OS4's general progress pace and developer situation) was explained by many people years ago already. By "trolls". Spreading "FUD".



BTW, maybe this has been discussed and I missed it, but what's the current license/ownership situation on SmartFileSystem these days? I remember it being donated to Ralph Schmidt (MorphOS key developer, for inclusion in MorphOS) by the original owner forever ago, the latest sources were then shared by him to third party for an Amiga 68k release, somewhat surprisingly this resulting in a new slightly incompatible fork for OS4, and now it's for sale by AeonKit. Quite a journey!

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I fail to see how this can be financially viable :p

By budgeting for the long term when commissioning new software and updates. As long as the future of the business doesn't rest on recouping the investment quickly then it can work.

@kolla

It can't be, that's impossible.

@Rob

The only reason I can think of, is them trying to keep up a facade of "business". Since that means a perception of "future". Which is needed to successfully shift €3,000 "Amigaone" systems based on a dead-end CPU architecture, using an OS that isn't really being developed anymore. That is the only possible explanation I can see.

But come on, stuff like PPaint? A semi-functional homebrew Hollywood "app store" with more TBA's than content? You must be quite desperate to see clothes on that emperor...

@Thread

Wow, something has really happened since when I returned to Amiga (NG) in 2012. Back then the praise of the development knew no limits. Every single critizism, even the nicests ones, was attacked relentlessly. It wasn't the friendliest of places for non-believers, but it had a lot of optimism.

Now ... Not even the diehards seems to believe in the project anymore. Not really. I don't see that they are ready to give up or anything but they/you chime in on the critizisms. I think it's mostly spot on myself but I do think it's fascinating to read.

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I for one am very glad to see that none of the AmigaOS4.x users have taken your bait, or responded to the attempts to attack the OS of their choice. It is refreshing to see silence for a change, instead of more pointless arguments, no matter how hard TripOS, or yourself try to bait the faithful.

As for the question "Why", it is quite obvious to everyone who cares to look that Hyperion does not have the money or resources to pay their developers more than an occasional token payment to keep them working a few hours a week. I have no objection seeing A-Eon trying to increase programming for AmigaOS4.x, be it applications, utilities, or enhancements to existing OS components (with the blessing of Hyperion I suspect), by making sure the programmers get paid.

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This depends on the package selling, well enough to also cover the cost of physical distribution.

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Reading what I wrote yesterday I can see why this looks like an obvious attempt to troll the red camp. The truth is that it isn't. I didn't reflect on the quality if the OS or the integrity of the various companies involved. I noted the change in tone in these four years I've been active here.

Four years ago every news about AOS 4 was greated with huge praises, and every critisizm came from the blue or 68k camp and was fiercly counter attacked. The consesus was that soon enough AOS 4 would come out in a new, earth shattering version that would leave everyone else in the dust.

Nowadays it's different. Whenever a news item about Hyperion, AOS 4, AmigaKit or A-Eon is out a lot of comments are rather negative. And they come from the same red camp. I really do find it interesting in itself.

As for AOS 4; I used to get sucked up in the red-blue camp war myself (and I carry enough of the blame for it), which I now regret. It's all just silly and a waste of time. If one enjoy using their OS of choice then it's all good. Enjoy it, have fun! Live and let live.

I hope this clarifies what the intent of my post was.

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I bought PPaint 68k and there were updates "promised"

"Personal Paint for the Amiga has recently been purchased by A-EON Technology and is being actively developed by Andy Broad for A-EON. In keeping with our commitment to providing new quality software for the AmigaONE X1000, AmigaOS 4.1 compatible and Classic Amiga computers, expect further upgrades and enhancements to PPaint during 2015."

guess no updates... they declared that they need 500 copies sold to be financially self-sustaining so I assume they did not reach this and stopped development. I do not blame them, I would not waste my money either. But then why do they make the announcements at all that sounds like lots of updates in future. That leads to disappointments I very much assume. At least I will not buy anything 68k related in future anymore (besides that they use reaction as GUI and that is a no-go for me).

long term as in "Personal Paint"?

as long as there is not a official roadmap with real dates and new features in development it is at least very doubtful. People should buy it as it is without expecting something in "future". Buying old sources is always the easiest and cheapest part, development is the expensive and complicated part. BTW instead of spoiling all the money to get a PPC native version they should concentrate on improving the existing 68k versions. That would rise chances in my view because 68k runs almost everywhere. Now most money is obviously needed for acquiring sources and get it compiled and running on 4.1 without really new features, then they try to sell it but most 68k users are not interested because no new features then not enough copies sold and development stops.

Or they want it primarly to sell the hardware (what is a rational reason) but then they have to live with loosing money. Or they really see it as longterm investment and accept making higher losses for some time.

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This depends on the package selling, well enough to also cover the cost of physical distribution.

The real world moves toward digital distribution. But since we are retro fans, it is nice to see retail boxed CD version. Maybe 68k version, if it is ever done, will come on pile of floppies

The Enhancer Software OS3 version is in full development now (and still quite some months behind this OS4 release). Alas, as you may expect, it will be too large to fit on floppy disks - so distribution will be on CF hard disk and also retail boxed CD.

Latest development is that we have last week got the new InfoWindow Class ported across from OS4 to OS3: http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=InfoWindow_Class

We are in a process of porting, standardising the Classes and gadgets components from the Enhancer Software on OS4 with the OS3 versions. A lot of work, but worthwhile foundation for the future.


@OlafS25
Additional PPaint development for 68K is still planned, we have been working on it (but not the 68K version recently). The Enhancer Software has taken a lot of time as you may expect so it has been a case of juggling projects around. We are a small team of 19 devs.

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@Yasu

While Im AOS 3.x user (got AOS4 thru emulation), I have a favourable view of AeonKit and I hope their attempt on creating a viable market will succeed (in amiga terms).

As for the whole "dissapointed" aspect of it;

I buy stuff based on what the software is when I purchase it. If I want it/find it useful, I dont feel the urge to bounce off the walls even tho the next update is x years down the line.
Obviously some that forked out 2-3000 dollars for their AOS 4.x machine might feel differently.

As for why people dont fall over themselves defending the "faith"; I never had such a hardcore views pro/con AOS development or regarding hardware.
I still posted rather regularly when I saw what I precived as extremely subjective posts with nothing but moaning/complaining.
That said; I realised its a waste of time to try to discuss with certain people in this community; I got better things to do than post 124635756 times regarding the same tired topic with some small twists in each thread.

Once Enhancer hits AOS 3 I will purchase it (should have my Vampire by then).

You are not being forced to buy anything. Here is a package, something you can buy, put on your shelf...whatever, even smoke it if you'd like (in some US States ;) )

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