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Amigaworld.net News   Amigaworld.net News : Fortnightly Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 17
   posted by DaveyD on 17-Aug-2003 12:50:28 (4203 reads)
Session 17 of the Fortnightly Questions and Answers sessions with Amiga's Chief Technology Officer Fleecy Moss are now online.

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Bodie 
Re: Fortnightly Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 17
Posted on 17-Aug-2003 13:16:01
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What are Astorage and AmiDB?

BTW, good read. Interesting reply to alx's question (question 10). Generally speaking, what are considered to be the cutting edge in terms of interfaces etc? Anyone know?

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"Will be in OS4 something like Windows update or Symantec LiveUpdate?"

I think the most fundamental problem with auto-update systems is trust. What if an update contains essential security updates to stop the latest virus and also a license agreement change and a few features you don't need? The auto-update system becomes very complicated very quickly when you don't trust the guys providing the updates. Soon you want to control every aspect of the update because the last time they slipped in some stoopid instant messenger "fix" and now it won't work. On the contrary, if you trust the guys providing the updates, you don't need or necessarily want any control over the process. You trust them to do the right thing to make your user experience that much better.

So what I think Amiga Inc. needs to do is enable me to indicate my level of trust in the people providing me with updates versus breaking down an update into sub features, etc. and making my life more complicated than it already is. That will allow me to enable "Trust anything from Amiga Inc." and "Manually install anything from Elbox" for example.


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What are Astorage and AmiDB?


AmiDB is the database of AmigaAnywhere (this is a small and usefull database shipped wih any amigaanywhere system).
AmiDB is dependant of Astorage.

 
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OS5??????


What are they joking? How in the world can they talk about OS5? Thats humilating..

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@Realize

You feel ashamed because A.Inc. and Hyperion have goals for
the future?

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@ realize

Please calm down. Many people here at AmigaWorld like to hear about AmigaOS5 and other future plans. Various AmigaWorld visitors have asked Fleecy questions in the past with regard to the planning of AmigaOS5 and its structure. If you don't want to hear about such questions and answers then please just skip the paragraph.

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It's just nice to know OS4 is coming along nicely. (Sigh)


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Hello Tom Morris,

I can see your still at it scaming Amiga users but at the same time your praising Moprhos. Are you trying to destroy anything left of Amiga.

Edit MikeB: accusations removed.

He goes under the name "Magnetic" or "Magnetic Media Productions"

Here are links on how he does business:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imagefx/message/5376

Now go over to http://www.amiga.org/
and search the name Tom Morris

 
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@ Korn

We don't need to know about accusations against another AmigaWorld member. AmigaWorld will not tolerate any personal attack, true or false it doesn't serve a constructive environment and only results into flamewars.

I understand that you may want to be heard. But we cannot validate your claims, so please understand our point of view.

Your comment will be moderated accordingly. Please try to discuss the topic instead, here being Fleecy's latest Q&A.

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@MikeB

I understand but please look in to this as this guy has been using Amiga news group like the ones found on yahoo to promote his products not that I have a problem with that. It's the scaming part I don't like. Now he's using amigaworld.net and amiga.org

If this is the kind of behavior, an amiga dealer posting here who is scaming people which lots of people aren't aware of this and you let him post knowing one of your members could get scamed by doing bussienss with this man then you should fell ashamed of yourself. You should remove his post before anyone else gets scamed. The reason is because his profile has his webpage where members here could send money to him and get scam thats how he works. It's not a personal attack towards anyone but please feel free to remove this post to, its your members.

 
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@Korn

I'm not scamming anybody. Stop your insulting behavior please and act civil. YOU dont know the facts of the case. You are going on internet hearsay which is silly. I dont know 1 Amiga company/dealer who people have not complained about.

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@Mike B

I am sorry I'm not trying to troll. I've been following OS4 development for years now. The fact that they are only half way through CYBPPC version and Fleecy is fielding OS5 questions is rather absurd. I think the questions should be about OS4 release and getting resources allocated to Help Hyperion.. Why is it there are no serious questions like: What do you as a Chief executive Officer plan on doing to help Ainc get out of its financial problems? What deals are you trying to pursue in the industry? What is your contract with MS for DE and Games? etc..

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@ Korn

The link to that yahoo mailing list was not removed as Tom Morris participates in that forum and can defend himself there. So people can investigate and make up their own minds, but don't call anyone here names.


@ realize

Your off topic statements were removed as well. I told Korn to stay on topic and I expect you to do the same. You are adding oil to the flames by involving AmigaWorld and other companies.

The first part of your comment was a somewhat reasonable reply to expect from a dealer, much of what followed was not.

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It not hearsay tom. You tried scaming me plan and sample how is that hearesay. People are starting to speak up Tom. amiga.org is just one example. I am not insulting you tom. I just don't want anyone getting scamed.

 
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@ Korn

And that was your last comment with regard to this here, Mr Korn. Else you will be considered to be a troll and will see your account removed!

You have made your point and so has realize. If you want to continue this discussion then please do so privately or somewhere else.

Discuss the content of this Fleecy Q&A please!

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@Mike B
I am sorry I'm not trying to troll. I've been following OS4 development for years now. The fact that they are only half way through CYBPPC version and Fleecy is fielding OS5 questions is rather absurd. I think the questions should be about OS4 release and getting resources allocated to Help Hyperion.. Why is it there are no serious questions like: What do you as a Chief executive Officer plan on doing to help Ainc get out of its financial problems? What deals are you trying to pursue in the industry? What is your contract with MS for DE and Games? etc..


OS4 has already been demonstrated as more than "half" complete. Talking of OS5 is no more humiliating that talk of Longhorn or any other OS on the drawingboard. Discussing a featureset for a future OS is not humiliating at all. After all, it is only a roadmap to the future OS, starting with developments being made on the current OS in progress.

And what is the point in telling us about deals they are pursuing? In the past they have informed us of deals that were in progress only to have them fall through in the end for various reasons, and all people do is bring them up over and over. As such, it really isn't worth annoucing anything unless you have something worth annoucing, which is the current policy is it not.

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Its Ironic all these people on Amigaworld criticize Amiga.org for being MOS trolls and yet when I come in here all I get is flamed.. practice what you preach. When this site came to be I was excited for another news site, now I'm not sure. If you want to chase everyone out for different viewpoints you will be left talking to eachother and bored to tears...


Actually noone criticised amiga.org for having MOS trolls - there has been lots of mention to it being more MOS biassed, and very anti Amiga. Most of the trolling takes place on ANN. The problem with amiga.org was it got to the point where any view which may have been in favour of OS4 or Amiga Inc was jumped on by a select few constantly - who would spew their Pro Genesi/MOS bile at every option.
We do not chase people with different viewpoints - we do however not tollerate abusive behaviour, or posts that are designed explicity to cause a "flame-war" session.


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@realize

I don't know if you are a troll, but you behave sometimes like one. The tone of the above posting or stuff like "Hyperion is only half way with OS4" which is unqualified and untrue is a bit "trolish".

BTW speaking about OS4, AG1, AG2 or OS5 in the same posting is not humiliating, why? You won't acuse Genesi of beeing humiliating when they speak of Pegasos, Pegasos 2, Psylent, Eclipsis & Co. They even advertise in a german print magazine (AmigaPlus) since month with Eclipsis & Psylent, although we haven't seen a picture of an Peg2 prototype.

Greetings from Munich!

EDIT: typos


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@realize

You should stop spreading nonsence about the status of OS4. Ive seen your claims, now...

Quote:
The fact that they are only half way through CYBPPC version


and earlier...

Quote:
They are only about 50% finished the Cyberstorm version of OS
(http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1055&forum=3)

90% of all statistics is made up on the fly. Your numbers was not within the right percentage.
Ive seen your positive comment about OS4 screenshots earlier, so I dont belive, you belive your own numbers.


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Hi Folks,

@korn: Scamming, two "m"s. This word gets misused enough in this community, it shouldn't get misspelled as well!

@everyone else: In case anyone was wondering, this ain't me. Damn that band!



Cheers,

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@Andrew

I thought it might be you for about 2 seconds (IE, when i saw the username). As soon as I read the actual content, it was pretty clear it wasn't you


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@ AndrewKorn

Quote:
@everyone else: In case anyone was wondering, this ain't me. Damn that band!


It wasn't?

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