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X1000 thing...[...]..... not that interesting
Funny and ironic words from a men that designed the PIOS One (a mere PC with a PowerPC cpu) and wanted it to be the next gen AmigaOS compatible machine
I agree with him about the Natami part though
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Who is this Haynie with his negativity? Obviously the x1000 is not targeted at people like him or anything to do with him. It is targeted at the amigans.net subset that want to utilise all the modern features of the x1000 that os4 supports.
Besides once the os4 developer community are unleashed onto this 'military spec' hardware , I'm sure the SuperAGA and the soft060 of the nataimi will be running on XMOS no problems. And you can hook up LED lights to it too!
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I agree that potential hackability is what makes the Natami board highly attractive. To me at least. But... I've already been told that Natami won't be hackable in a practical sense. And thus, to me, FpgaArcade is the more attractive choice of the two. Even if the Natami features are better (PCI slot, bigger/faster FPGA, etc), if I can't fiddle with things, then I'm less interested. And I'd love to fiddle with things. I'm not asking to hack into the Natami core itself, which would probably require the sourcecode, though that would be part of interesting hacking if we could, I'd love to play with things like learning the PCI bus and other things, which means I'd more likely have to port MiniMig or aoOCS to the Natami board. That means we need to know the schematics of the board (what pins connect to what pins/connectors), and have datasheets for the components, which we can probably get.
I don't understand the suggestion that Natami would be a poor general FPGA experimenting board. I'd love to see a general FPGA board like this, with a relatively large FPGA, PCI slot, DVI, ethernet, USB, HD Audio ports/codec, etc. Natami is so far the closest I've seen to my ideal. Maybe we can talk MikeJ into something crazy for FpgaArcade 2. :) But oh well.
Actually, what would be fantastic cool IMHO is a COM-Express module (or Q-Seven or whatever, but ComExpress/ETX-Express seem the most popular) that is nothing but FPGAs connected to everything, using SERDES FPGAs for ports that require it, and whatever D/A converters etc. that would be needed for ports that require it. Then we could get whatever shape motherboard we want to put that on.
As I see it, these two products are aimed at different types of user groups there for don’t compete, there for it totally irrelevant to compare the product against ether other.
NetAMI is perfect for old applications that only support AGA or ECS, NetAMI tries to be better and faster than a classic Amiga4000 / Amiga1200, this computer will not be able to play movies at any nice fps, they have chosen paula sound, so the sound quality will be 14bit, you will get high level of compatibility whit old games, and “all” games should play perfect, thanks to faster graphics and CPU you get more out of your classic setup.
AmigaOne X1000 is computer that will able to run classic Picasso96 / cyber graphic application (or application running custom screens) extremely fast as long as applications are system friendly, you can run newest most CPU demanding applications, you should be able to play most movie formats at good speed, and you get crystal clear sound from Amiga Amp and TuneNet thanks to modern soundcards, surfing the web is not a big problem, old games can be a disappointment in EUAE it does not guaranty clock perfect emulation, but you can setup individual configuration for etch game so it’s almost guaranteed the games will start.
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For one, you can claim real Amiga cred there -- doing things the Amiga way. You're not just a PC with a PowerPC CPU and some VGA chip trying to make the claim of being an Amiga.
This logic is just plain wrong - and surprising coming from a Sage of Amiga lore. I've heard this many times before. That "next generation" Amiga's aren't really Amiga's simply because they are so different from the classics. Or because it shares components with 'evil' PCs.
If that logic holds, then today's Macs are not TRUELY Macs because they are so different from classic Macs.
Heck, if Dave Haynie and the original Amiga team were still producing new Amigas, they would likely be unrecognizably different by now.
Distance from the classics cannot be the measure of "Amiganess." Otherwise, a "modern" future for this platform (or any other) is an impossibility.
Evolve or Die.
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Forcie-NatamiTeam wrote: Dave Haynie, former chief engineer at Commodore and designer of a lot of classic Amiga chips, recently expressed his views on the Natami Project and the X1000 on Amiga.org. I thought it might be interesting for Amigans so I cross-posted it here:
Wow... a few comments, and the place goes nuts! Ok, as far as I do.. you do know there were more than a few people working at Commodore Amiga. And specifically, I was the main Hardware Systems Engineer on a number of Amigas. That included a couple of Buster chips, but as a rule, you have Hardware, Software, and Chip designers, and each did their own work. So while folks like George Robbins and I worked with Chip designers to figure out things like system interfaces for the major Amiga chips, we did not design them.
As for my view... just one guy's opinion. And yeah, I have been negative about many developments in the Amiga community. You might notice, though, that I've usually also been correct. I haven't necessarily been happy about that... I have no motive or wishes for things to fail. But I do have some experience in what it takes to succeed. And I'm making promises to you just to separate you from your money... except my "Garage Sale". But I already promised most of that stuff doesn't work.
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Dave Haynie doesn't convice the community there...
Why don't we ask about new Amiga games like the Amiga One's Racer or anything new? Port or develop Monkey Island 4 or Monkey Island 5 to a new Amiga? Enbeauty anything new?
Come on let's throw the roll and dice again...!!! Yeah we see some numbers... Hahaha..
Seriously what would you like to see on the Amiga World?
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Natami looks cool and would be great solution for many people. I just wonder is it for those who want new hardware to run old software on fast or will there actually be much in the way of OS and application development?
For me it seems the x1000 and Natami are heading down different routes, one is more about taking the software forward (with x1000 providing a platform for continued OS4 development) and the other is more hardware focused. Both are ambitious and exciting, of course both will be expensive bits of kit compared with your average x86 box.
OS4 on Natami type hardware would be my ideal, how cool would it be if the two projects came together to give us some hybrid of the two in the future. A machine that could boot OS4 with Timberwolf, AmiCygnix, Blender, OWB, etc, but also able to run classics like DPaint without the need for UAE, or boot directly from ADF images or even real floppies .
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