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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 15-Apr-2011 19:44:12
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if you were trying to rebuild a market then your best approach - 'the only game in town' - would still be theSAM/X1000 approach

even though x1k may be a cool concept as such, the reality has proven that sam440/460 (to which system it is closest in comarison) did not help to rebuild a market. in fact they only adressed and been accepted by a fraction of original scene. you cannot rebuild a market trying to be even more elite. you can only hope to sustain the interest of already addicted. this both applies as well to x1k as to natami, minimig or fpga arcade.


Is not that exactly what Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple and it (Apple) was on the verge of bankruptcy? And now look where is Apple So your argument falls under its own weight

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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the reality has proven that sam440/460 (to which system it is closest in comarison) did not help to rebuild a market


On its own it won't ever rebuild a market. Wind back to my first posts and you will see that the standard parts concept is only part of any successful market rebuild. You need good apps that people want and excellent marketing also.

The SAM 460 must have been released as sales of the 440 made it worthwhile - although ACube are getting very little help their progress is slow but promising. However without decent software support and some push with marketing it will ultimately fizzle out.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 15-Apr-2011 21:33:51
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the reality has proven that sam440/460 (to which system it is closest in comarison) did not help to rebuild a market.

Depends on the definition of "market". There are quite a bunch of people who were *new* users in the market, i.e. me, DAX and some more who jumped directly from classic 68k Amigas into the SAMs. Same is true - with a different approach - for MorphOS: They got momentum by attracting *new* users from their OS3.x 68k machine to a MacMini (and more Macs in the meantime). And the next "market" might be a NatAmi market, those who will change their ageing 68k systems in favour of a NatAmi. Third "market". And I didn't count all those people (like Trevor) who jumped into everything, having a Mac with MorphOS, a SAM/X1000 and are in the frontline of buying a NatAmi (I suppose... ).

This in turn led to a second hand "market" of used AmigaOnes (XE, SE, micro) and Pegasos' I and II (and some Efika's). The 460 and the X1000 will in turn make a new wave of 2. hand systems, waiting for *new* users...

Look at my signature: I have the irrational fondness for (nowadays) niche hardware with AmigaOS/AmigaOID software. So a nice NatAmi might be a fine addition, but a Macintosh or a standard x86/64 PC will not happen for me. None of these systems will achieve world domination.

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