@KingKong

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AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU

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Important are infrastructure, military use, communication, industrial control ... and not the 3D-latest-game-highend-PC. So key-elements are safety, reliability and efficiency (low power consumption) and not 150 fps on a 500 watts PC

Because AmigaOS provides safety, is reliability and efficiency over. say, Linux.

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Well, what do you think?

That you should stop thinking that AmigaOS or any other hobby OSes provides any value for real world.

EDIT: Kant spel.

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@KingKong

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Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS because anything from USA is out of option (for security reasons). AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU (think of some 1.000.000.000 ¤) and it will pay because of all the money saved from MS & Intel. Well, what do you think? What hardware could be a good starting point? How to convince the EU (European Union)?

Russia and China both have strategic CPU developments (Elbrus and Godson). If they have a "national OS" it'll be based on Linux.

If the EU wanted an OS it'd also be based on Linux, there's no good reason to base it on anything else.

As for hardware, multiple CPUs and GPUs are both developed and owned within the EU so there's no need to buy anything.

BTW the PA-Semi chip would be completely useless for this purpose because it's based on an architecture owned by IBM.

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@KingKong

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Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS ...

ARM and Linux are (more or less) European developments.

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AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU (think of some 1.000.000.000 ¤) and it will pay because of all the money saved from MS & Intel.

AmigaOS (until AOS3.1) is an US product, the CPUs needed for AOS3 are US CPUs and the CPU for AOS4 are US CPUs. I don't think any AmigaOS would be an option and I don't believe AmigaOS could compete with Linux.

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I think it would be a good idea to buy the P.A. Semi stuff ...

Most of PPC stuff is based on IBM and Freescale patents and developments, They are as US as they could be.

Well it seems to me as if you are searching a nieche for AmigaOS, likea lot of other proposals (AmigaOS for TablettPCs; AmigaOS for Phones; AmigaOS for PDAs; AmigaOS for Automotive Information Systems, AmigaOS for Game Consoles; ...) you don't see what already exist in that markets.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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KingKong wrote: @hazydave Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS because anything from USA is out of option (for security reasons).

Given that the most popular CPU architecture in use today, the ARM, is British, I don't see this as any sort of issue. And Linux is really without any single country or company.

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Important are infrastructure, military use, communication, industrial control ...

Which of course, precludes the AmigaOS as it exists today. And suggests Linux.

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I think it would be a good idea to buy the P.A. Semi stuff (all rights, patents, knowhow, ...) as a starting point to develop CPUs for Europe.

Given that ARM is already supplying CPU cores of similar performance, and has already announced a much higher performance core in development today (the ARM Cortex A15), that would be a foolish waste of money. If Apple even had interest in selling off the technology. Several European semiconductor companies are already ARM licensees: NXP... (I have used their ARM7TDMI chips in several designs for Nomadio), ST Microelectronics, etc. Infineon even holds an ARM architecture license: like Samsung, Apple, nVidia, QualComm, and a few others, they can design their own variations.

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All there is left to do is to convince enough politicians and maybe the X1000 is a good start.

There is zero chance of that happening.

@KingKong

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KingKong wrote: @hazydave Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS because anything from USA is out of option (for security reasons). AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU (think of some 1.000.000.000 ¤) and it will pay because of all the money saved from MS & Intel. Important are infrastructure, military use, communication, industrial control ... and not the 3D-latest-game-highend-PC. So key-elements are safety, reliability and efficiency (low power consumption) and not 150 fps on a 500 watts PC. PPC and ARM can do fine here. (SNIP)

High-end ATI/NV GPUs are being used in HPC.

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