@klesterjr

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klesterjr wrote: @nicholas Quote: Maybe you missed the thread where he said I was a bad parent and my child is evil, purely because I don't worship HIS God then. I suppose I did -- but that doesn't change the fact that the "anti-Christian" rhetoric is very loud on this site. It would be one thing if it was confined to the "Free for all" section, but it bleeds into the other forums, where we're supposed to be talking about AMIGAS. @nadoom Quote: why he hate muslims so much? Hopefully, he doesn't -- but I can see where you'd get that idea. You've got to remember that at this point in history, all we Americans see is Muslims kidnapping people and chopping their heads off, blowing up buildings, trains, airplanes, etc. -- it's not a pretty picture. So, if I wanted to "over-simplify" the situation, I could ask "why do Muslims hate us so much?" (PLEASE don't answer! )

Does that not make alarm bells go off in your head Ken?

"All we Americans see", obviously your media is feeding you hatred and propaganda if that is all you see.

I would be seriously worried if I was you.

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We are considering taking an anti-politics and anti-religion stance on signatures at the moment. Opinions on that welcome from all quarters.

Don't particularly want to oppress anyone, but it is a computing forum, and quite a few of the signatures recently have really got on various peoples wicks.

@klesterjr

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I suppose I did -- but that doesn't change the fact that the "anti-Christian" rhetoric is very loud on this site.

Because it is needed to counter the religious spamming that occurs. Perhaps if an individual (I know of no others) stopped posting "My religion is better than any of yours because...." or "Look how bad this religion is because.....", there would be no reason for such aggresive rebuttals all the time.

I'm all for the religious threads. They are great.. as long as they stay there.

You are objecting to the anti-religoius comments without neccesaly being aware of the pro-religious stuff (ie: Billsey) that is constantly being brought up on non religious threads.

@Wiffy
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We are considering taking an anti-politics and anti-religion stance on signatures at the moment. Opinions on that welcome from all quarters. Don't particularly want to oppress anyone, but it is a computing forum, and quite a few of the signatures recently have really got on various peoples wicks.

As long as the intent isn't to oppress ONE individual (you KNOW what I mean, Wiffy!), then I'm all for it.

While you at it, no Viagra advertisements either!

@nicholas
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Does that not make alarm bells go off in your head Ken? "All we Americans see", obviously your media is feeding you hatred and propaganda if that is all you see. I would be seriously worried if I was you.

I think you missed my point -- that's EXACTLY what I was talking about (letting imagery distort your perspective).

BTW -- it works both ways, dude -- Americans aren't evil, either!

@klesterjr

Well quite, thats the worry, that people would take umbrage thinking it was just one individual, as thats the most high profile incident so far, however it ain't just one individual. If we said 'individual x cant advertise religion or politics in signature' then fair enough we would be oppressing that individual.

Problem is, some of the signatures aren't offensive, they are funny, and it would be a shame to miss out on some of the wit that was displayed during the recent election(s).

Whether or not something is offensive or not is subjective, so we either take an objective position ( no x/y ) or a subjective position ( you can x/y so long as it isnt 'offensive' ) but then we open ourselves in the latter to accusations of suppression.

We already ban spam and adverts in signatures, if you spot one, report it.

@klesterjr

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As long as the intent isn't to oppress ONE individual (you KNOW what I mean, Wiffy!), then I'm all for it.

I have to agree on this. And while we are talking about this, why are we skirting around naming people? If we are going to sort this out once and for all, we have to tell people to their face as it were, that there is a problem.

I don't want this to turn into a anti-Billsey post neither as it takes more than one person for somthing to become a problem.


Edit: If anyone needs me to say things on their behalf because they are not wanting the publicity of speaking on this thread, feel free. I think it's important to get all these peeves out now.

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@DruidPoet

Well sigs like this are offensive:

"If you abort your foetus, you are going to hell!"

Whereas sigs like this are not so offensive:

"Life is precious"

How to distinguish what is a purely human reaction? I don't know, thats why we may end up with a blanket ban on such topics in sigs.

@DruidPoet
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You are objecting to the anti-religoius comments without neccesaly being aware of the pro-religious stuff (ie: Billsey) that is constantly being brought up on non religious threads.

I have no problem with all of that in the "Free for all" section (where I rarely tread) -- my problem is that it shows up in ALL areas -- Billsey would get moderated in a second if he pulled a stunt like that (as he should be).

(I going to restrain myself from using the word "hypocrite" since it gets used too much around here -- Doh! I used it anyway! )

@klesterjr

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I have no problem with all of that in the "Free for all" section (where I rarely tread) -- my problem is that it shows up in ALL areas -- Billsey would get moderated in a second if he pulled a stunt like that (as he should be).

Thats what I'm saying as well. Religion (and politics) is brought up outside the free-for-all by all sides. It's just that people notice things they disagree with more.

(Since I hate all humans and their pathetic topic of conversation, I notice everything )

@Wiffy

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We already ban spam and adverts in signatures, if you spot one, report it.

Heh, heh -- I know.

That was a cryptic reference to a post I made a long time ago about not wanting to hear about someone's politics, religion, or Viagra when I reading an AMIGA forum!

Made me smile, anyway!

@nicholas

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Because he is living in a society that cultivates fear to rule the masses. If people aren't scared, they don't obey. Simple really. In 1940's Germany they fostered fear of the Jews. In 1950's USA they fostered fear of the Communists In 1960's UK/USA they fostered fear of drug using "hippies" ....... In 2000's they foster fear of Islam

Being most of the 60's hippies (not all) are Republicans and a large number Fundamentalist Christians I think the 60's fear the 'hippie' was right! They're now in charge! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

@Wiffy

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How to distinguish what is a purely human reaction? I don't know, thats why we may end up with a blanket ban on such topics in sigs.

Yeah, valid point and not one I had considered. Perhaps guidlines then rather than a draconian law?

Billsey's current signature is a problem.

The joke is that taken one way (God side), it's a casual remark that only becomes "funny" when you take it's other meaning.

It is a put down to non christians, but a positive nod to the christians.

How do you moderate that? (Glad I'm not you! )

I wouldn't object to people saying positive things about their own faiths. Just negitive ones about others. But how do you judge? Do you wait for a complaint and then react, or do you take on the role of nanny oppressor and take down iffy sigs first?

Tough call.

@Wiffy
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"If you abort your fetus, you are going to hell!"

Oww -- I like that -- can I use it?

@Wiffy

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We already ban spam and adverts in signatures, if you spot one, report it.

So if -use Viagra - is spam is -use God-? I'd say in some ways yes.

@klesterjr

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klesterjr wrote: @Wiffy Quote: "If you abort your fetus, you are going to hell!" Oww -- I like that -- can I use it?

Sure you can but please dispose of the mess properly....

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klesterjr wrote: You've got to remember that at this point in history, all we Americans see is Muslims kidnapping people and chopping their heads off, blowing up buildings, trains, airplanes, etc. -- it's not a pretty picture.

Well if America wanted to step back a step or two and try and look at the bigger picture they might be able to see what is upsetting a lot of the Muslim world (and a lot of Palestinians in particular), especially in respect to their almost blind support of Israel. Despite what Israel does with what is called 'The Occupied Territories', the US can usually be counted on by Tel Aviv to be right there, supporting Israel shoulder to shoulder and to hell with what the rest of the region might think. Are there really that mant influential, retired Jews living in Florida that both the Republicans and the Democrats are forced to bend over and take it up the ass (metaphorically speaking) or face electoral oblivion?

I find it surprising that the US is so shocked when large portions of the rest of the world (a) declines the "opportunity" to jump to the beck and call of the US and (b) even dares to resist what they feel is another, undesirable step towards a US-centric hegemony.

Make of the above what you will...



Doug

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@BrianK

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So if -use Viagra - is spam is -use God-? I'd say in some ways yes.

At least Viagra can be proved to work

Oh I know, that was an anti- religious comment, but I'm still trying to balance out this thread's origional post. Druids meanz balance. Hench the reason why I still burn christians to make up for the druid's they killed.

@DJRJ

Dude -- you're making my earlier point for me.

@DJRJ

However valid you points are, it is perhaps distracting to where this thread is heading.

Right now, we are trying to form a lynch mod to go and get Billsey and burn that damnation from his body with redhot pitchforks.

What? We aren't? Oh..

What about bleeding the sins from him with a billion leaches?

No?


Oh hell...