Hey Everyone!!

I looked at the site again after I got off work. Under Company, the AmigaOS is mentioned and the description is decent. Also, under the AmigaOS section, if you read it in order, I tend to agree with the fact that they are saying, look you can license Amigaos, adapt it, or make modifications however, you can not develop any future versions! As in, don't contact us about developing future versions. That is my take on it now that I read it from top to bottom. I don't think it means they are bring AmigaOS in house. If anything, it is hyperions now as far as future versions. Believe me, this is not me being optimistic. I hate Amiga Inc. Well, I assume Gary whatever his name is, is going to answer some questions. Make sure you guys ask the right questions. I look forward to reading the transcript.

Yogi

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@BobW

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BobW wrote: @smithy Quote: Exactly. But as "the development of future versions of the Amiga Operating System is not available for third party development or distribution" then who else will do it? The answer: nobody. Because the complete lack of prominance of AmigaOS on their site reflects their priorities rather well I think. A dead Amiga Inc is no good for anyone. They are a business and they need to make money. So where are they supposed to make this money? Selling their wares to a handfull of die hard Amiga fans?

It's up to them as a company to create a market. AmigaAny(?)Where is far from guarenteed to make money, like you suggest. They're going to head to head against Java.

Java, with 500 million software titles and true run-anywhere capabilities vs AmigaAnywhere with Solitare and a fruit machine simulator, and no big partners like Nokia or Samsung. And let's not pretend AmigaAnywhere could run the Java games that you can download from Yahoo or a million other places. Intent uses Personal Java, which is way, way, way behind today's Java 2 Micro Edition.

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I don't tink their priorities have changed with the release of this new site. All the usual trolls are just using this as an excuse to spread doom and gloom.

The only doom and gloom is coming from Amiga Inc's website. I am disappointed and annoyed, as are many people here that you can't possibly label as trolls.

@goody

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Then stop whining about what is there.

I wouldn't call it whining. I'm just dissapointed. I've said earlier that I was pleased to see some news, just a pity the design didn't live up to the news.

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Create a mockup and see what response you get from Amiga inc. Do you need some space to put it on?

I will get around to it. Could be a fun project to do. Got loads of projects going on but I'll think hard about how it should be, and I've got plenty of space for it. Thanks for asking though

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@thread

It looks ok, but the colors and fonts need to be changed to look better. Also, they need to scale down the size of that gambling machine pic. Before all the paranoia gets out of control, let's wait for the irc session with Garry on the 20th. I hate to admit this, but www.genesi.lu looks a whole lot better (why, oh why!)

@Amon_Re

by Amon_Re on 19-Mar-2005 0:03:16

@saimo

Lead the way

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11174&forum=4&2

OT but good for debate.

Cheers,
tim

@thread

So I got here a little late (as usual but I do have a job to go to, doesn't any of you work?).

Anyway it took some time to read through all this (and still look the site over some) so now I can make my own comments.

I mostly have to agree with Druid Poet here. Whats wrong with all you people?

It's just a bleeding website. Not only that you've been complaining to have it updated for ages.

Personally I understand the whole remake as the old site was much too jumbled, mishmash of different styles. This is cleaner and easier to navigate.

I believe it's also not final and only a fast cleanup. It also helps clarify any misconceptions that may arise and what happens? YOU STILL GET EVERYTHING WRONG!

People have wondered if McEwen and Fleecey were still involved in Amiga Inc and if the DE was dead? What KMOS wanted with AMiga Inc in the first place etc.

Stupid as I am I read this site and the news on it to say that KMOS (I said a while back that Garry said that the initials KMOS had no meaning) IS Amiga Inc. and therefore from now the 2 shall be one. If nothing else this commits KMOS to the ideals behind Amiga Inc (what did anyone think? KMOS bought Amiga Inc., not Hyperion, they wanted the DE and Garry said that all along). The small footprint of Amiga OS was interesting in itself but in the form it is today can hardly interest the investors that Garry is working with?

Someone else mentioined the fact that Quote:

Amiga Operating System is not available for third party development or distribution.

is just showing a stand that they will not be accepting any new partners outside of existing agreements (this may be directed at BB and other principals).

That the Blizzard isn't mentioned may mean that the developement on that platform has run into problems and they won't promise anything about that now. Hyperion has never promised such a port (it would have not been free anyway and all the variations of 1200's make it extremely difficult). Obviously everyone missed the part about the AOne and Cyberstorm, duh!

What else did we manage to misinterpret?

Well the fact that the DE is the opening page. Could have meant to be so but the DE has it's own page which is exactly the same http://www.amiga.com/amigaanywhere/ so maybe it was just to show off the new product (whatever your personal feelings may be for this type of game) or maybe they couldn't decide. KMOS is also linked to the same page so Garry definitely wants to put KMOS to rest! KMOS RIP!

So they don't have much info on OS4. Could be because they don't have much info on OS4. Looks like a job for HYPERION! I think they even mentioned them somewhere. Doesn't look like they are taking over developement of the OS unless you read something into the picture of the little guy in the amiga t-shirt that I don't!

We can at least wait until sunday before hell and damnation? Why not save up some questions for then?

BTW did I say that iBrowse works great on the site with OS4 on an AOne XE with fix and the latest update? Well it does!

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Dear oh dear...

Is this really anything to get excited about...

It seems like a lame update which promises very little.

Jees.

@Jamie_S

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There was talk of hiring a design consultancy if I remember correctly, I certainly don't think any such thing has happened in this instance.

Yes, I remember this being mentioned by Fleecy. He did promise a new, totally updated and enhanced Amiga site a long time ago.

This certainly isn't it. It's going back in time aesthetically. Stop and think what the Amiga is all about. This site shows none of it (and that is true!)

At least there has been an update though...

Steve

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I find pretty amazing that some people can say that this web site is ok. Fortunately most of the people are not totally blind and realise that this is not only a complete failure but totally unprofessionnal work.

One person here already showed a much more professionnal result created in a few hours time, the amiga.com website was closed about a month ago with a "soon a new web site" and they couldn't do anything better ????!!!

So to all the people who think that a 1995-like web site with flashy graphics that make it look like an amateur porn site is good enough, here are a few BASIC facts about the quality of the work :

- the web site doesn't validadate as HTML, major bugs like badly nested forms, missing closing tags for tables are there. Nonetheless, I had a laugh when I saw the CSS W3C validation logo at the bottom of the page, when you can't nest properly basic HTML, you don't attract people's attention on your compliance to web standards

- none of the images is optimised, haven't you noticed how heavy is the frontpage ? Almost 400KB !! I could get the exact same result but I'd save 300KB by just optimizing the graphics and the HTML.

- Despite their heavy weight, most images are of bad quality

- gzip compression of pages ? nope.

- accessibility ? Certainly not, nested tables, no alt attibute on images, a markup that defies logic and html semantics...

- professionnalism ? Man if one of you can read French, head over to http://www.opquast.com/ which is a website about doing QA for a site. About 500 "good practices" are listed for a quality website, I'm sure amiga.com doesn't comply with 5 of them and most of them are simply common sense. Indivisually, missing some of these rules wouldn't be important, but when all of them are ignored, it does show !!

I could do better, you could do better, anybody with a minimum technical webdeisgn skills would do better. amigaworld is an exemple of how you can do much better visually.

Ah, and by thee way, why using CSS if amiga browsers don't have any CSS browser available ? I mean I am 100% in favor of CSS, but their use of CSS is so stupid that it doesn't add any value to the site and probably has the side-effect of degrading visualisation in the limited browsers amiga users have.

I mean, when I see all over the site code like < span style="font-weight: bold;" >"Three Hand Caboose."< /span> which obviously antique browsers won't display, while the valid ode even for modern browsers should be < strong>"Three HandCaboose."< /strong>, what should I think ?

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@Steff

I am in 100% agreement with you and your analysis.

KMOS is just a holding comapny and it will prbably never have a site or really see the light of day accept as a signature on obscure contracts.

What the site firmly says is the KMOS bought Amiga Inc for the AmigaAnywhere technology, and AOS4 as much as I love it and from my point of view is essential, is from their point of view secondary (justy as I have assumed for these many months).

As for professionalism in web design, I confess if it isn't in XML with CSS2 it is junk -- unfortunately we don't have a web browser yet that can read XML CSS.

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@GregS

KMOS is no more! That's the impression I got from the press releases anyway.
KMOS has now effectively become Amiga Inc.
One company & one boss (Garry Hare). This is good IMHO!


Btw now all blue trolls have AN OFFICE, A CONTACT and LICENCENING INFO.
This what was sooo lacked by all NOT interrested in KMOS/Amiga Inc.


@thread

IMHO the Web site looks very dated and unprofessional. But it's consistant now
and it's nice that it has been updated. And it's my belief that it will become better
in the near future.

OS4 info in the site is scares but what is to be expected? OS4 is not made by
them and it's not released yet. What to write about?

I think nothing has changed in the contract between Amiga Inc and Hyperion.
So IMO the situation about OS4 updates beyond 4.0 final is as it was before
this site got up. Otherwise Hyperion would have issued an press release about
it, wouldn't they?

Amigans seem to always jump to conclusions about everything and read alot
between the lines..

So let's wait to see what Mr Hare has to say on sunday before complaining too
much. Other than the obvious lack of professional design on the web site


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KMOS is no more! That's the impression I got from the press releases anyway. KMOS has now effectively become Amiga Inc. One company & one boss (Garry Hare). This is good IMHO!

That is more or less how I read things, KMOS just remains a name and nothing more as far as we are concerned, a legal/commercial entity but little else.

AmigaInc sits where it should in my opinion. And AmigaAnywhere where it should.

I have not read the whole thread but I hope that people see that AmigaAnywhere is focussed not just on PDAs, Phones and Settopboxes, but on DESKTOP COMPUTERS as well!

For so long too many people have reduced it to just a PDA thing when it promises so much more.

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it promises so much more

...and delivers the sort of nice little games which people release for free on os4.depot.

Can you really see any useful application for OS4 desktops coming out of 'AmigaAnywhereExceptAmiga'?

@RedMelons

Mobile devices are getting better and more powerful all the time, so that could change. I think it would be quite short sighted to ignore that. I'm quite sure that mobile application will be as good as desktop applications. Sure you can't have as big screen in the mobile device, but then you could make your application scalable.

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@GregS
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KMOS is just a holding comapny and it will prbably never have a site or really see the light of day accept as a signature on obscure contracts.

Uh, didn't you see the news? www.amiga.com is the KMOS web site. KMOS is now Amiga, Inc.; it doesn't exist as a holding company or anything else anymore. Isn't this clear? There will be no KMOS signatures on contracts, because the company is Amiga, Inc. and so Amiga, Inc. signatures will be on the contracts from now on.

Further, it seems to be very much the "virtual company, " as before. The mailing address is in New York, but all the news items are from San Francisco, near where Garry Hare lives, it seems. So it seems the situation is pretty much the same as it has been for the last couple of years, with people affiliated with the company spread here and there depending on where they live. I imagine the NY address is either a paid mail drop or the office of someone legally connected somehow .

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As for professionalism in web design, I confess if it isn't in XML with CSS2 thit is junk -- unfortunately we don't have a web browser yet that can read XML CSS.

I think the web site wouldn't be a problem if Amiga, Inc. was in some other line of business, not related to web technology and software. But since they are not only a technology company but a tech company in the business of providing Web-related products, their own Web site should be looked at as representing the quality of their work in general. They really should see their own web site as a vehicle to showcase their capabilites. Instead, the site immediately raises a red flag to visitors. If Amiga, Inc. was a plumbing contractor, we'd say fine, they may not know coding but they know pipes and that's what's important. But in this case, knowing web coding is supposed to be within their area of expertise. I think it would have been good to spend some money on a competent design firm for this job.

As others have pointed out, the new Amiga site is not only esthetically questionable -- to put it mildly -- it is also technically inept. A quick look at the source code reveals a number of coding errors and mistakes of judgement. This is really rather surprising. On the other hand, we know what a disaster the old AmigaAnywhere site was -- such as huge image files and unnecessary complex javascript and so on -- and how the dubious practices were defended even when they were pointed out. I'd expect the same reaction again.

Just my two cents' worth.

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@Samwel

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Btw now all blue trolls have AN OFFICE, A CONTACT and LICENCENING INFO. This what was sooo lacked by all NOT interrested in KMOS/Amiga Inc.

First of all, the current incarnation of Amiga has had many critics and only a small number of them could be decribed by the term "blue troll". Just something I wanted to point out. This kind of labelling has been inaccurate and harmful in the past and still is, as it needlessly polarizes and oversimplifies the reality of the situation.

Secondly, I don't think publishing that address will have much effect. I doubt very much if there is anyone at that address who is in a position to respond to the mail, not with the CEO and VP on the other side of the country. Maybe, at best, someone will try to sort the spam from legitimate correspondence and forward the latter to Garry Hare or to Bill McEwen or whomever is appropriate. These individuals no doubt will continue to be contacted at their current addresses by "friends" who have had those private addresses all along.

On the positive side, having a contact address is such a fundamental rule of business that the company would look like some kind of sham if it didn't have one. If the address is published and if it is found to be a working contact point, then at least this step will have been taken toward Amiga, Inc. being seen as a legitmate enterprise again.

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How comes it that no one has been missing the Club Amiga MONTHLY section so far?

I mean - I`m still able to log in & out - but found nothing CAM related.

Would have expected at least some info why its no longer there - hey, I bought a LIFELONG
CAM-membership!



AInc obvously are alive - I am alive - so where is MY CAM? and my COUPON? and my T_SHIRT?

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@RedMelons
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Can you really see any useful application for OS4 desktops coming out of 'AmigaAnywhereExceptAmiga'?

If I thought for one minute that AmigaAnywhere was to permanently absent from the OS4 recall, I believe that it would simply swallowed up and ignored in the MS/PC world.

I believe that until an official release or a near offcial release of OS4 we probably will not hear of an Amiga version.

The original, now officially abandoned plan, was that AmigaAnywhere/DE/Tao would not beseen until OS4.2, but things have moved on a bit, OS4.0 now looks very much like OS4.1.5, maybe even OS4.2.

OS4 looks a lot like the perfect host of AmigaAnywhere in the desktop world, not that it would not run on Windoze or linux. But when we have a application platform that is plateform agnostic, a nice efficient hosting OS like OS4, we may well be spreading our wings and flying to far horizons.

Consider this, if AmigaAnywhere becomes an application platform par excellence then what would you want running under it: Windoze - wait to boot sometime, Linux - need a degree to run and install, or AOS4?

I know my answer.

I think it is going to be an interesting time for us all, very soon now ; )

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@Dandy

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Dandy wrote: How comes it that no one has been missing the Club Amiga MONTHLY section so far? I mean - I`m still able to log in & out - but found nothing CAM related. Would have expected at least some info why its no longer there - hey, I bought a LIFELONG CAM-membership! AInc obvously are alive - I am alive - so where is MY CAM???

I am missing it... and I have pointed it out at the news item... and at the IRC session, am I going to ask Gary where it is...

I guess if we are not going to get our CAM ASAP, are they going to get trouble about our 50$, that they still owe us!!!

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hnl_dk wrote: I am missing it... and I have pointed it out at the news item... and at the IRC session, am I going to ask Gary where it is... I guess if we are not going to get our CAM ASAP, are they going to get trouble about our 50$, that they still owe us!!!

Hi hnl_dk,

about that weblink!


Okay, if that's brought up in the IRC session, make sure it's the last question, or else the first question will also be the last question. Of course, it'll probably be the last question, no matter which question it is!